What do you think of the CETME HK 91 93 Clone

dduangrat said:
If it's good enough for Martin Riggs, it's good enough for me :)

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HA! True, dat! :D :thumbup:




Mulder said:
I always wanted try out the Galil AR in .308.

http://remtek.com/arms/imi/galil/762/ar/762ar.htm

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I have shot a Galil AR in .308, nice rifle, with built in beer opener in folding stock mechanism... or so I'm told... :D

The real issue with these are 1.) magazine availability, 2.) spare parts (firing pins) availability.

If you are serious about a Galil, get one, and two spare parts kits (only because they are hard to find, not because you'll need more than a few parts). In my humble opinion...



Here is a DPMS LR308 rifle 'similar' to my next rifle (being built right now)....


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Cost of ammo has me choosing a non-blasting path 'at this time'... :)
 
PTR Makes a VERY nice weapon. I've owned various other clones and nothing comes as close to the real thing as the PTR-91.
 
Rat-30 said:
HA! True, dat! :D :thumbup:

I have shot a Galil AR in .308, nice rifle, with built in beer opener in folding stock mechanism... or so I'm told... :D

The real issue with these are 1.) magazine availability, 2.) spare parts (firing pins) availability.

If you are serious about a Galil, get one, and two spare parts kits (only because they are hard to find, not because you'll need more than a few parts). In my humble opinion...



Here is a DPMS LR308 rifle 'similar' to my next rifle (being built right now)....


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Cost of ammo has me choosing a non-blasting path 'at this time'... :)
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John,

With you spending all your INFI cash on guns it looks like I'll be able to keep "Precious" a little longer. :p
 
The Galil receiver was not built to handle the .308. It will eventually batter itself to pieces. I would stick to .556 with this design.

IMO the jury is still out on .308 in an AR platform. The extractor taking the place of a locking lug does not inspire confidence. There is a reason Bushmaster got out of the .308 AR game.

If you can afford to, get a FAL or M1A. I would buy a Saiga .308 before I bought a CETME.
 
which FN/fal?

there are DSA's and Century Arms, metric and inch, and the mags are howmuch?


the PTR is looking good
 
I have several versions of all the major 7.62x51 main battle rifles except the AR platforms. IMHO, the DSA FAL is the best all around rifle. Very well built, acceptable accuracy, great ergonomics, plenty of parts available. Stay away from the Centurys. Some are fine; many are not. The M1As can made to be quite accurate with enough work or $, but you need to be committed. They have the best iron sights and triggers of the FAL/M14/G3 clones, and the walnut can be downright sexy. I have both an HK91 and a PTR-91. The recent PTRs are fine rifles. If you are set on the G3 platform, they make fine shooters. They are 1/2 the price of an original HK91 these days. The G3 is very reliable, but I perceive the recoil to be needlessly higher than the FAL/M14 platforms. It also has less than optimal ergomics and beats up the brass. On the flip side, the ejection pattern (without a port buffer) can be a secondary weapon :-). Let's just say you won't need to bother looking for the brass.

If you want a 7.62mm MBR and have the money to spend, get a DSA FAL in SA58 or STG-58 configuration. An Imbel-receivered version is also high quality-just make sure you know where or how it was built. If you must have a G3 clone, the PTR is a great value compared to an original HK. Just remember that the Germans adopted the G3 because the Belgians would not allow them to build their own G1s (FALs). :-)
 
If you have the funds get a DSA. Top of the line and they back their product.
As to why an FAL; FALs have an adjustable gas system, HK91s do not. FALs have a bolt hold open with the last round fired, HK 91s do not. In my experience, FALs are more accurate. Minute of bad guy is good enough for some people, not me. If you are somewhat handy, get a kit and build your own FAL. It is not difficult to do but, After you have purchased all of the tools to do it you might think, " Shoulda just bought a DSA." Of course you can borrow the tools if you just look around. The FAL is an easier platform to customize than an HK 91. Numerous manufacturers are producing after market parts for them. More so than for the HK 91. How many countries adopted the FAL for their armies? How many adopted the HK 91? There is a reason for that...
 
Rat-30 said:
I owned the Hk91 (.308) and Hk93 (.223), have experience with Hk/Mp5, etc...

The recoil-operated mechanism is / can be rough on the shoulder. At least in Texas, in short sleeve t-shirts in the summer...

I now prefer a gas gun.

For a .308 - get a FAL or DPMS LR308 (easier / cheaper to find mags than Armalite).
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EXACTLY! I own class 3 H and K's as well as the standard 91 and 93's. The 91 in 308 is a punisher in full auto and even in semi if you shoot alot. The FAL is a much nicer gun to shoot and the "clones" tend to come out nicer as far as head spacing, fit and finish etc. That is if they were built on military kits. With the FAL you can adjust the amount of gas you are sending back thru the system, hence you can adjust it down to lower recoil. Every one is going to put in there cent and a half, but I own them all in class 3 full auto versions and have fired 10's of thousand of rounds thru them and this is my opinion based on that. Like i said, I own the H&K's and they are very nice, but if you are going to buy a copy, make sure its a goodn! Good luck and im sure you will find something that you dig.
 
762 shooter said:
If you have the funds get a DSA. Top of the line and they back their product.
As to why an FAL; FALs have an adjustable gas system, HK91s do not. FALs have a bolt hold open with the last round fired, HK 91s do not. In my experience, FALs are more accurate. Minute of bad guy is good enough for some people, not me. If you are somewhat handy, get a kit and build your own FAL. It is not difficult to do but, After you have purchased all of the tools to do it you might think, " Shoulda just bought a DSA." Of course you can borrow the tools if you just look around. The FAL is an easier platform to customize than an HK 91. Numerous manufacturers are producing after market parts for them. More so than for the HK 91. How many countries adopted the FAL for their armies? How many adopted the HK 91? There is a reason for that...
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DITTO DITTO DITTO AND ROGER THAT! DSA is the best FAL platform made today! The three i have out shoot my $5000 plus G series FN! DSA is the only FAL platform to buy! Their STG series are rockin for a little less money than the SA series but they are close enough in price now to go ahead and get the SA series. Their STG series use to be alot cheaper than the SA's but not true any longer. Good luck and right on 7.62 shooter!!!
 
knockemoutdasky said:
DITTO DITTO DITTO AND ROGER THAT! DSA is the best FAL platform made today! The three i have out shoot my $5000 plus G series FN! DSA is the only FAL platform to buy! Their STG series are rockin for a little less money than the SA series but they are close enough in price now to go ahead and get the SA series. Their STG series use to be alot cheaper than the SA's but not true any longer. Good luck and right on 7.62 shooter!!!
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I aim to please. Thank you, I'm here all week. Try the roast beef...
 
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The XCR was designed for the competition to replace the M-16. It is offered in 5.56, 6.5, 6.8, and 7.62x39 (one receiver, 4 calibers, just change the barrel and bolt) right now, and a .308 version is on the way.

Great little gun. I got one and found my black guns being sold due to lack of usage.
 
I'm a big fan of the FAL. Mine is built on an Imbel receiver with quad rails, light, scope.

BUT it is IN PIECES now waiting to be re-barreled in medium contour, from standard contour.
 
knife hunter said:
which FN/fal?

there are DSA's and Century Arms, metric and inch, and the mags are howmuch?


the PTR is looking good
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DSA's are metric and they're probably the best FAL on the market. I don't know what Century Arms is making these days, but I've never heard anything good about them.

Mags used to be available for about $5, but the ones I've seen lately that were actually in stock were about $20 or more new and $10 used. Most places are out of stock and prices have been going up fast.

DSA advertises Steyr metric mags for $15 without specifying whether they new or used, but whatever they are, they're not in stock.

Sportsman's Guide has jacked the price up on new IMI metric FAL mags to $30 each, but there's an old link that you can't reach from the website where you can still get them for $20 each or 3 for $50 or 6 for $80. Just don't tell 'em you heard it from me. And for orders over $49, try Coupon Code: SG702. It should be good for $5 off. SG479 should get you $10 off orders over $99. (I just ordered another 12, and the link and coupon worked for me.)

Wideners has used metric mags for $11 each or 10 for $95, but I've read that they're in pretty poor condition.

Edited to add:

Turns out Ohio Rapid Fire is advertising "like new" FN mfg FAL mags for ten bucks each. Probably as good a deal as you're going to find on those these days.
 
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knife hunter said:
which FN/fal?

there are DSA's and Century Arms, metric and inch, and the mags are howmuch?


the PTR is looking good
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Go with the DSA. They are top shelf. I have my second one being built right now. Dave and the guys at DSA are great people and really easy to work with to get exactly what you want.

Get to Knob Creek in the April and I'll introduce you to the DSA guys.



Garth
 
Strabs said:
Mmmmm, Galil AR:thumbup:

I let one slip through my fingers and now there's no way I'll ever afford one:grumpy:
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If it doesn't have to be all original parts, you still might have one last chance. Atlantic Firearms (and no doubt others) have a .223 Galil built with Israeli parts kits and enough US parts to make them 922(r) compliant. Get 'em while you can for $699.

I've been a lot of shopping lately. :D
 
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