What does combat grade mean?

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POINTMANDDT

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Hello all,

I was wondering what does the combat grade mean to a Busse knife. For example a cgnmsfno and a NMSFNO what is the difference?

Thanks
 
Combat grade is the base level of finish options for Busse combat. It generally means that it comes coated and with standard handles.
CGNMSFNO (combat grade nuclear meltdown special forces natural outlaw) =
Combat Grade - coated, not one of the other grades (competition finish, custom shop, limited edition, special edition)
Nuclear Meltdown - rounded edges and generally longer then it's standard version (in this case the shorter SFNO)
Special Forces - the type of handle pattern used
Natural outlaw - the model/blade shape

Removing the CG from the name doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a Combat Grade edition, but it does require the person to know what they are looking at or further information to know exactly which edition your getting.

-Competition Finish means uncoated with a rough hand finish and with a hand ground thinner edge.
-Limited edition generally means that it's a satin finish and with a special handle type like snakeskin.
-Custom Shop means that it is a custom shop model and will come with the custom shop logo instead of the standard busse combat logo, often times these are satin finished with special handles, but are sometimes coated specially per a customers request.
-Special edition is often attached to a year, 2007, 2008 etc. They most often come with a DCBB (Double Cut Bead Blast) finish and black paper or black g10 handle scales.


here is a link with a collection of the acronyms/qualifiers, as there are many of them
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/447835-acronyms-list?highlight=acronym+canary
 
Combat grade usually have crinkle coating. They are usually cheaper. On most blades you could get combat grade or limited edition which would have a satin finish and serial number.

There's probably more to it and I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will chime in shortly.
 
LVC has you covered. :cool:

I just wanted to put my post count at an even 1330...

Which I screwed up by double-posting... :rolleyes:
 
Last Visible Canary said:
Special Forces - the type of handle pattern used
Natural outlaw - the model/blade shape
So whats the meaning behind the Santa's Wicked?

Removing the CG from the name doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a Combat Grade edition, but it does require the person to know what they are looking at or further information to know exactly which edition your getting.

What would be an example of a knife without CG in the name, but is still considered the CG version?

-Competition Finish means uncoated with a rough hand finish and with a hand ground thinner edge.

So the CF SJTAC I just bought has a thinnner than usual hand ground edge? Because it certainly looks that way. Its a very high, thin convex edge. Razor sharp.
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The SOW was offered in a Christmas Ganza if I remember right, and it started off as a SFNO, which got a recurve blade and bright red G-10 scales (making it Christmassy).

I don't think there's an example of a combat grade knife that doesn't have a coating.

As for the competition finish, I'm not sure why the edges would be thinner, but from pics I've seen it does appear that way. Possibly because they can set a steeper angle on the grinder and not fear that the finish will get messed up? :confused: I'm not sure on that one.
 
M67 said:
The SOW was offered in a Christmas Ganza if I remember right, and it started off as a SFNO, which got a recurve blade and bright red G-10 scales (making it Christmassy).

I don't think there's an example of a combat grade knife that doesn't have a coating.

As for the competition finish, I'm not sure why the edges would be thinner, but from pics I've seen it does appear that way. Possibly because they can set a steeper angle on the grinder and not fear that the finish will get messed up? :confused: I'm not sure on that one.
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But the wicked doesn't refer to anything?
 
adrock1978 said:
But the wicked doesn't refer to anything?
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Other than to describe the sharp recurved blade (wicked! ;)) and complete the hog reference (SOW), no. It's a variant with a name... Santa's Outlaw Wicked. :)
 
Thanks for the info guys. So for the most part anything with a coating is most likely a CG. And CG is the least expensive of the line of knives other than maybe Comp finsh?
 
POINTMANDDT said:
Thanks for the info guys. So for the most part anything with a coating is most likely a CG. And CG is the least expensive of the line of knives other than maybe Comp finsh?
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Pretty much. Combat grade is coated, and doesn't have to be pretty if it's well, going into battle.

As for a price idea, I think it would go as follows:

Combat Grade
Competition Finish
Double Cut
Satin

Of course there are some knives that throw that scale off (Custom Shop coated knives and rare color combos) but it works.
 
Generally true when buying directly from Busse, but not always true on the secondary market. Scarcity / popularity / options of specific models come into play as well. Being coated, doesn't ALWAYS mean it's the cheapest.

POINTMANDDT said:
Thanks for the info guys. So for the most part anything with a coating is most likely a CG. And CG is the least expensive of the line of knives other than maybe Comp finsh?
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-santa's references the time it was released/that it had red scales, and wicked was just used for that one off unique variant, not a term defining a given element like recurve or swedge or anything.

-an example of a cg version knife without a coating would be a stripped cgnmsfno.

-yes, the CF Jack Hammers have thinner than usual edges in that they are taken to a slack belt by hand to remove the shoulder behind the blade, making them closer to a true 'zero edge' convex configuration. To my knowledge there isn't a CF version of the standard satin jack, only the jack hammer with it's clip point and cbt.
 
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adrock1978 said:
Not a standard SJ, mine is a CF SJTAC

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/858582-When-hunting-for-a-knife...-Knife-Hunter-RULES!!?p=9721879#post9721879
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It might seem a little overly specific, but unless someone at Busse Combat applied the finish, it's a 3rd party modification. In this case it would be a stripped CGSJTAC thats been sharpened by a 3rd party/owner to have a wide convex edge bevel. If it is a true CFSJTAC it would have been hand finished by garth/one of the various team members at busse combat, and have had the logo etched afterwards (at least I think thats the case with the logo).

That is, unless the owner sent it in to the shop to have it re-finished to be like what is seen in the photo's.

If there was an actual set of CF SJTAC'S sold from busse, then I totally did not see the original release, and it's good to know that those are around.
 
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