What exactly is a hunter, anyway?

Walking Man

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I've seen lots of knives called hunters.
What exactly is their use.
I am not a hunter, so please excuse my ignorance.
As far as I can tell they are either
1) Pointy skinners
2) Tacticals dressed up a bit
3) All-Around utility knives.

thanks.
 
Well they're 1) pointy skinners, 2) tacticals dressed up a bit, and 3) all-around utility knives. They are usually hollow ground and used for hunting and cleaning game. A hunting knife should be easy to clean, have good corrosion resistant steel, and be able to stand up to hard use shall you need to use it in a survival situation. These are just my opinion of what a hunting knife is/should be. Hope I gave you some idea of what a hunting knife is:) .
 
So are you telling me that people actually run around stabbing deer, woodchucks and other small animals with them? :rolleyes:
 
A 3 1/2 -4" blade .straight or slight drop point, simple handle with which you can skin, dress out and even completely butcher a deer. You might do other things with it also. One that I have that fits the bill is the stainless steel Cold Steel master hunter.
 
Now we're getting somewhere........
So it's a knife that does more to animals besides just skinning.....
thanks.
Is that the general consensus?
 
When hunting, I've used a knife to...cut rope. Trim branches. Make tent pegs. Dig out splinters. Skin and clean animals. Cut animals into cookable sized portions......I think you get the idea. If you look hard enough you'll find people who chase down hogs with a knife. I however use my"hunting" knife for the kinds of jobs\tasks I encounter when hunting.
 
A hunter is simply whatever knife you happen to like to use while hunting. Some people like little, pointy knives. A lot of people like the drop points. Some like straight back knives. I know a guy who likes to carry a big ole bowie for hunting. Of course this guy also carries a big Case folding hunter too. Myself, I like whatever feels good in my hand. Preferrably, something that doesnt get too slippery when you have blood on your hands.
 
"... tacticals dressed up a bit ..."

Actually it's the other way around. A lot of so - called tactical knives are just jazzed - up hunters.
 
I think everyone summed it up right. The "hunter" covers a lot of different design styles (except for many-beveled tantos and knives running at the end of the tactical spectrum.)

I carry whatever suits my needs at the time. Last year, I carried a Simonich Raven for most of deer season and even duck season (never know when you've got to make some more blind material.) :D
 
Most people would probably think that a hunter is any knife that is solely designed to field dress game animals. That is only ONE, short-term use.

For the most of the hunt (anywhere from a few days to two weeks) you'll probably be camping, or at least preparing outdoor meals with a minimum of kitchen implements. After all, 'roughing it' is part of the charm of hunting.

A hunter should then also possess features that are good for light camp work (like making fuzzy sticks and marshmellow sticks) and food preparation. I'd like to see someone cook up some eggs and breakfast meat with a 14" bowie. Someone probably has done it because it was the only knife available, but I'll bet they would have taken a 4" drop-point to better finish the chore.
 
It is a "hunter" if it is designed to be carried by a hunter in the field and is designed to field dress game. There are knives that hunters may use to process (aka butcher) game that have no sheaths and are used at home or camp. These are not "hunters". Some of them may be "camp knives", but commonly they are butcher, or meat cutters knives. They tend to be used after the animal is gutted and can be longer without concern for accidentally cutting the innards.

A "hunter" may have a 2 to 3.5 inch blade for birds or rabbits, it might be 3 to 4.5 inches for deer, it could be 3.5 to 6 inches for elk. It could be a trailing point skinning knife, but that is frequently distinguished as a "skinner". Usually a "hunter" is a relatively straight sheath knife. The blade is likely to be .1 to .25 inches thick. They come in hollow grind, flat grind, sabre grind, scandinavian grind, and convex variants of the above. The more practical ones are on the thin side (.1 inch or less).
 
Most belt knives with 3" or longer blade should be versatile enough for a variety of chores, but a hunter would emphasize a thin, keen point for scalpel-like control and precision, AND robust belly for skinning. This is why the drop pt is the most common or favored design. Hunters don't tend to be much longer than 4" because most users prefer to control or "index" the tip with the index finger (get it?), so the blade shouldn't be much longer than your forefinger on the spine, with your middle finger in the choil to maintain control. Control is important because, as Jeff notes, you don't want to puncture the innards and ruin your meat. Although it's probably not a major issue, for the perfectionist, a "true" hunter may have a stick tang rather than the now nearly-universal full tang (or thick enclosed tang), as back-end handle weight would slightly hinder rather than enhance tip or belly control when choked up on the blade.

While there is a good deal of overlap in knife designs and their purposes, I would think a tactical and a hunter would emphasize different features, even if both are, say, 4" drop pts. The tactical or self-defense knife would likely have a relatively thicker point for stabbing and less pronounced belly for better penetration, possibly a swedge along the spine, and perhaps a thinner edge toward the choil or ricasso for finer utility work (or even serrations, yuck! :)). A hunter would reverse the emphasis. My uncle, who taught me how to shoot and hunt, would hone his knife to a nearly hair-splitting thin, aggressive edge along the tip and belly, then leave the back half of the blade a little thicker with a polished edge for splitting kindling, whittling fuzz sticks, and similar chores. Simple carbon steels remain popular in hunters, I think, because wear resistance and toughness in a keen edge are far more important than stain resistance.

Sure, one could probably dress game with a "chopper" or a "tactical," but a hunter is optimized for this kind of delicate work.

Glen
 
A hunter is whatever knife an individual prefers to use while hunting. There is no set pattern, or size, historically the range has been very broad; for the most part it wasn't a hunting knife, but rather a full set of tools. It depends on: what one hunts; what they want to do with the game; our own personal sense of style; our own level of experience and technique; and, the environment and conditions under which we want to hunt.

n2s
 
Hey Guys here is something I forward to those who want to know the whats and the whys!


SOME THOUGHTS REGARDING THE DESIGN OF
“THE WEGNER PROFESSIONAL HUNTER’S KNIFE”.

What I require in a hunter’s knife is that it must perform any and all of the cutting chores that I demand of it in the field.

Most people look at a hunting knife as being primarily a skinning knife and neglect five other very important tasks: field dressing, quartering, boning, disjointing, and caping. All of these tasks can be accomplished with one knife and without the aid of an ax or a saw. Another task that must be mentioned is the use as a survival tool in the event of a backcountry emergency.

I designed the Wegner Professional Hunter to be a multi-tasking knife that will accomplish all that a back country hunter requires of it in the field and still keep it’s edge. Keep in mind that any knife will dull if it is used to cut through the dirty hair of a game animal. It is ideal for large Whitetails and Mule deer but really excels on moose and elk sized game.

When I use the term back country hunter, I am referring to a person who does most of his hunting far off the beaten path. This type of hunting requires the most efficient, lightweight, and tough equipment that you can afford. This is especially true when the fun stops and the work starts, you are five miles from camp, and you have to make several back breaking trips packing out 150 lb elk quarters.

Just imagine this wonderful little scenario. You are knee deep in snow doing the field work on an elk or large mule deer that’s been tied to a tree because your standing on a steep 45 degree slope, a bitter wind blowing in your face and oh yeah it’s dark, snowing and you are miles from camp. Your only light source is the flashlight hanging out of your mouth.
I have been in these types of situations more than once.
If you have ever had the pleasure of working under similar condition, you’ll appreciate the benefits of having a knife built to get the job done under the most extreme circumstances!

The concept of using one knife to do all the field work saves on the hassle of having to carry the extra weight of three or four specialty knives far into the field. (I must confess though, I always carry a backup folder in my pack or vest and of course it's a Wegner Professional Hunter).

The modified Loveless style semi-skinner blade is dropped enough to open a carcass without snagging the paunch. The skinning belly is comprised of a gradual sweep that works great removing the hide from the largest game by using an even rocking motion utilizing the blade's full belly rather than the tip.

Caping is more of a specialty chore and many hunters elect to have their taxidermist do it. Oh yes, I realize not everyone is a trophy hunter, but I'll bet there are a good number of hunters who, like me, will not turn down a nice trophy if the opportunity arises. The knife's tip is strong and sharp and not only aids in opening up the body cavity, but more importantly, its’ sharpness gives it the ability to perform intricate cutting chores where precision control is required. The thin flat ground blade is just right for cutting flesh, but will take heavy abuse such as the demanding jobs of disjointing and quartering.


The handle was designed to fit all hands with or without gloves. The large “V” opening hole makes deploying the blade an easy one handed operation. The handle is ergonomically shaped and comfortable for long periods of time in all configurations. The spine has 3 sets of serrations for precision finger placement and control when performing delicate cutting operations. The choil is also serrated. All of the serrations serve to give one the ability to index the blade so you know where the tip and cutting edge is at all times. A piece of nylon cord in the thong hole comes in handy working in deep snow or over water. Ever dropped a knife in 3 feet of snow?

These are just some of the considerations that went into the design of the Wegner Professional Hunters knife they were derived from my 35 or so years of field experience.

Thank you

Tim Wegner
President
Blade-Tech Ind. Inc.
 
Design and purpose overlap kinda says it all. Hunting knives are a pretty generic group and it probably doesn't matter in the end what you call it. However, I do think, that a knife is not just a knife.

There are numerous minor variations that make quite a difference in the way a knife can and is used in the field. Those might include the amount and the sweep of the belly,the angle (fineness) at the point and whether or not the tip drops or sweeps up. Of course, in the end, it depends heavily on the needs of the user and the skill and manner in which the knife is used. A bunch of specialty hunting knives might include gut hook knives, small capers, skinners, drop point hunters, trailing point, even cleavers and bone splitters might be calles "hunting knives." ?? what about a bone saw - is that a hunting knife ?

Generally speaking, it seems rare to have a "hunting knife" with a blade longer than 4.5-5inches. For a do-it-all knife on deer, smaller game a bigger knife seems to get more in the way, and a shorter blade does allow finer control on detailed cutting chores. In the end, you could make almost any blade shape and call it a hunting knife - I'm sure someone will be able to adapt it for their own use. Jason.
 
I like a lot of the replies. It has to do with the area you're in, game you're after, how far from civilization you are, how much of the processing you do yourself, etc. Some examples: I always like to carry one bigger knife in the woods, mostly for clearing limbs from around the deer stand, brushing the duck blind, cutting carrying sticks for squirrels and rabbits, and just any general cutting that may be needed. I usually carry a folder too for most of the cleaning of small game, and a folder works fine for even skinning deer. (just as long as they're hair popping sharp!) However, for actually butchering deer, I prefer much bigger knives for making long slices thru the steaks and such. I use a bone saw a lot less now that I have a good meat cleaver. I've never had need for a caping knife. The taxidermist does that, and I'm sure if I ever got to go out west to hunt elk, our guide would be much better at caping anyway.

Originally posted by Walking Man
So are you telling me that people actually run around stabbing deer, woodchucks and other small animals with them? :rolleyes:

Why did you use the rolleyes smilie? Yes, I just made another huge Bowie knife expressly for the purpose of killing nuisance raccoons and O'possums in sensitive areas around the farm. I've enjoyed hunting with a blade alone for several years now, and I used it to kill a possum just the other night. I'd LOVE the chance to hunt wild boar or deer with it.
 
A well-known Australian outback past-time for the "real" men. Get a bunch of pig dogs (Pit Bull terriers) wearing leather armour, guy on bike / foot with a "pig-sticker" who takes down a feral pig himself with a knife to the chest / neck region.

Usually a long dagger shaped blade designed expressly for deep penetration. Surplus Swiss SIG bayonets and other ex-military knives are popular for this. Guess that qualifies as a hunting knife too. Jason.
 
Why did you use the rolleyes smilie? Yes, I just made another huge Bowie knife expressly for the purpose of killing nuisance raccoons and O'possums in sensitive areas around the farm.[/B][/QUOTE]

Ah ha!!!! I used the rolleyes because most hunters that I've seen are 5" or less, and many similiar knives are also called outdoor utility knives. Not because I doubt anyone's sincerity, but I think that the vast minority of folks who have what is called a hunter actually uses it to kill animals. I believe that folks that may kill animals the old fashioned way use larger knives as you do, if for no other reason than to make sure you don't get bitten.
 
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