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What has changed - or is it me????

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Hey fellas - Lately it appears that a lot of good threads are doing dramatically off topic. I despise having to weed through three pages of a pissing match and watching people argue back and forth.

What has changed around here? Maybe it's me being overly sensitive but it really feels as if we are losing some good conversation and advice to this mess.

What do you guys think? Also - can we change this? How?


**** I'm not pointing any fingers or mentioning any names - NOR SHOULD YOU WHEN YOU RESPOND *****
 
Hey look... a chicken! ;)



I don't see that on the WSS forum. I have heard it exists a LOT elsewhere on BF, but I stay here.

When I ask a question, I get good responses, and it stays mostly on topic...

TF
 
Hey look... a chicken! ;)



I don't see that on the WSS forum. I have heard it exists a LOT elsewhere on BF, but I stay here.

When I ask a question, I get good responses, and it stays mostly on topic...

TF

You're right - we get A LOT of good info and responses. What used to be a very small amount jibberish is growing a bit.
 
Likely what is needed, and we used to see this more, is for the old hands to regulate a little bit.

Not report threads, just point the way for the youngin's. That was the way it was when I first came aboard.


TF
 
Likely what is needed, and we used to see this more, is for the old hands to regulate a little bit.

Not report threads, just point the way for the youngin's. That was the way it was when I first came aboard.


TF

For once I agree with TF.:D We should make a simple few sentences in a Sticky that people can copy and paste into a thread that gets crazy.

something like:

The W&SS forum to share your experiences and learn from others. While it is acceptable to disagree with someone, please be civil and, if possible, add your experiences. Very little tolerance will be given for further negative or personal attacks, this is your warning.
 
Apart from Joezilla, I haven't noticed a lot of moderation around here recently. Could that be why?
I do think that it has become a little adversarial in WSS lately, but not overly. Other areas of BF have become a lot worse.
 
I agree that things are somewhat changed these days compared to the past. Whether that is fully bad or even controllable I have my doubts. I don't think it is out of hand, but W&SS is not quite as friendly as it used to be.

A couple of things come to mind.

One, the older members are posting less regularly now for some reason.

Two, the regular addicts (myself being one of them) seem to be posting less prolifically then we used to. Folks like Tonym, J Williams (who only has a moderate addiction instead of severe one now), RescueRiley (who is surviving early parenthood) and even Pitdog who used to post 3 threads a week is down to 1 every week and a half or so.

Three - trip reports, nature walks, photo-essays are less frequent these days and there is less of a culture who views them. There seems to have been some confusion in the last Moderator 'Keep it on topic guys' posting. Some members felt like the mods were directing us to stay only with skills rather than describing wilderness. I know Pitdog felt this way about his frequent dogwalk pics and severely curtailed them.

Four - It strikes me that the views/reply ratio has increased substantially. Getting only two or three replies on a on-topic thread is common now whereas it used to be 9 or 10. Heck, even my 'Post your choppers - chopping' thread would have guaranteed to go logistic last year but it kind of just fobbles along now....I'm even guilty of not flogging my own threads sometime.

Five. It seems the only threads (aside from the most excellent camp knife challenge thread) that get past 2 pages are the controversial ones. This has always been partly the case, but in the past many threads reached 3 or 4 pages without being contraversial. Not all of them are bad and argumentative. The 'eating human meat' one stayed pretty civil if not lapsing into the predictable jokes now and again.

Six - there has been a large wave of 'new comer questions' lately. Overall I think this is a good thing. It provides the platform to recruitment to our little community. However, when you get a wave of new questions it tends to push all the active threads to page 2 and then they disappear into the nether land.

For symptoms 1-6, I view most of these as temporary phenomena. I just think folks are a bit busy and everything goes in cycles. Like any discussion, somebody lets out a silent (but deadly) fart once in a while and you get that awkward pause....

Regarding the comments on the mods. I think they've been doing a good job of things. Special kudos to Joezilla who has been working diligently to post on-topic threads and keep them moving. Both Joe and Esav have been moving inappropriate threads often enough and making good decisions on those moves. It would be great if Kevin and Brian came around more, but I suppose it is difficult, one being a TV-star and the other a Rock-star. I'm still waiting for all their stories to come back to us ;)
 
I hear you. I have wanted to say more and share pics and reviews, but my darn computer is dead so I am posting next to nothing comments here and there from my cell phone. Laborious to do!
 
hehehe.....Just cause Im not posting as much, doesnt mean Im not watching.:eek::p

I check in on my favorite corner of the net frequently throughout the day. Ive been going through some *ahem* awkard stuff lately, and it put me in a weird place the past few months. Ive been downright depressed...My wife was starting to worry about me a bit. However I have worked through it, and the sun is shining on me once again it seems. :) You see, its easy to forget how lucky we are sometimes. The little things do matter, and its easy to forget about them when you are focused on the bigger issues that seem to present themselves in everyday life. Anyways...I didnt mean to get this thread about going off topic, off topic. :p I just got off on a ramble a bit.

In these tough times everyone is going through some things, and we all deal differantly.


Now, I have too noticed more(not alot) pissing matches. It doesnt really bother me, but it is frustrating at times. I have also seen quite a few threads lately that are downright terific! So you take the good with the bad I guess. For me, I see more of the same topics over and over, and very little new content(but new interesting insights on the same subject matter). But its been that way forever here on BF, and most other forums. Its just the cycle of things.

For the most part you guys are as great as ever. :thumbup::thumbup:

anyways I bet my ramble didnt make much sense....Just the keboard rantings of a average joe (or jake;))

stay classy WSS......
 
There just seems to be a lot of argueing lately, takes the fun out of being here. This used to be the first stop for me on BF, now I seldom stop by.
 
I wonder if the "Controversial Threads" you mentioned in point five are turning people off to the forum completely? Does anyone else wonder about being associated with any site that is running "Conspiracy" articles and "Political Rants"?
 
I wonder if the "Controversial Threads" you mentioned in point five are turning people off to the forum completely? Does anyone else wonder about being associated with any site that is running "Conspiracy" articles and "Political Rants"?

Its always possible. The politics are pretty much kept out of this place. As to controversy, who can ever fully say what will be a controversy until it sparks argument. Yet at the same time, intelligent discussion always involves some measure or argument and debate. What a boring place this would be if everybody agreed with each other and everybody held the same opinion.

There are some W&SS famous controversies like - "to baton or not" which immediately invokes all kinds of debate for what reason I cannot really fathom. There are also others that are politically charged like the ethics of hunting, game management practices or firearms legislation. These topics are well suited in this place. I also think that its members are well advised to look at dissenting opinions and the arguments posed carefully. If you can articulate and counterpoint discussion than you can do so in the public sphere.

Keeping the debate civil and less emotionally laden is helpful. It is always rather disconcerting to see melt downs happening here. I get pissed off every once in a while reading threads. What I try to do is determine if there is something to be learned from the process. People who hold completely different opinions than I do must base that contrary belief on something. At least in W&SS those topic areas are ones where I'm willing to do a lot of self reflection (I don't have to challenge my own sense of spirituality or god forbid politics) in dealing with most issues. I've also been guilty of pissing many other folks off although I'm usually open to apologizing when I think I pushed a button too far.

Anyhow, debate is healthy. We have a cross section of ages, maturity, education, life-experienced wisdom, cultural-memberships, etc. and that produces a whole lot of ideologies. We have a forum that is truly international with members that span most continents, experience different types of wilderness from desert, jungle, temperate forest to arctic. The most common mistake is thinking your own personal experience and skillset is applicable everywhere else. It rarely is.
 
I try to be very open minded on most of the subjects. Everyone has their own point of view. And as we all know, there can be many "correct" answers or points to a given issue.

On the other hand, when the SAME response is heard over, and over, and OVER on an issue and the poster is all too willing to let you know that they are the expert because they have been there and done that and you haven't, it gets me to react. And I/we shouldn't. We should ignore it for what it is.

I have realized I am not helping by pointing out someones repetetive or negative posts with another negative response and put my checks in place. I will endeavor to ignore the "here we go again" posts whenever possible and keep posts and responses positive.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. If I don't have anything good to say.....
 
Maybe it’s the season and we’re all just getting ready for hunting season, sighting in rifles, upgrading gear, trying out new rigs and ammo loads.

Or it could just the regular rhythms of an on line forum. It never takes more than a couple provocateurs to upset the tone of a discussion.
 
I have played into it a little bit, but it sure seems like beating a dead horse is the thing to do at the moment. I know I can be less than tolerant at times, especially when the clueless step in and start spouting off their pretended 'expertise.'
 
I must have a really thick skin - but I teach Philosophy for a living - so the 'arguments' are what I moderate and steer - I guess I am just used to it.


I agree with the lack of reviews. I need to get my back side in gear - I have a LOT to review.

TF
 
W&SS is normally a refuge from uncivil behavior.
But yeah its definitely more tense lately.
Some people are blunt to the point of being rude.
And then excuse their rudeness by labelling normal civility/courtesy as "PC b*llsh*t".
Or at least thats hows i see it.
 
I'll be honest - lately, there has been a cluster of posts and threads that involve some kind of lamentation of the demise of the good ol' days / expression of frustration over perceived social decay / commentary on the behaviour of 'sheeple'. These posts tend to turn me off, as they often involve generalizations, us-them distinctions, and little in the way of proactive solutions. When the ratio of "trip report - took some newbies out for a great time in the woods" to "people are soft-bellied sheep and things aint what they used to be" discussion tips towards more of the latter, I start to tune out a bit.

But that's just me. And, on balance, this forum is still all kinds of awesome.

Best,

- Mike
 
BAH! societies gone to hell, the city sucks, people don't understand why i carry a knife, police think i;m criminal for carrying a knife despite the fact its legal for me to do so, the city sucks, i feel hemmed in and i'm surrounded by complete idiots, so yea I get a little testy when commenting on some topics.
 
I have been away from the forum for a while mostly due to lack of funds for more knives,
there is just too much temptation honestly. I like to pop in now and then and ask a question, but not nearly as often as I used to.
May be selling off a few rifles soon though, so we shall see. :D

Maybe the economy has everybody a bit more high strung, a lot of people have had to tighten their belts.
 
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