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Other than it’s a Queen made S&M from what I can tell. Years? Numbers? Steel? History? Anything anyone can tell me, I’d love to know. I haven’t been able to find anything on google, I don’t think I’m searching the right key words or something. Figured I’d ask the experts here.

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Schatt & Morgan 3 blade sowbelly made by Queen Cutlery in Titusville, PA. The DFC stamp narrows it down to 2012-2017 timeframe. Brown/Gold micarta handles. Has the S&M traditional Pennsylvania keystone shield. Pinched/lined bolsters were common on this pattern. I have one in stag. Can't remember the Queen pattern # for this one.
 
Rookie82 said:
Schatt & Morgan 3 blade sowbelly made by Queen Cutlery in Titusville, PA. The DFC stamp narrows it down to 2012-2017 timeframe. Brown/Gold micarta handles. Has the S&M traditional Pennsylvania keystone shield. Pinched/lined bolsters were common on this pattern. I have one in stag. Can't remember the Queen pattern # for this one.
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Nice! Thank you! I also noticed the main blade said “carbon” on it. Any idea what steel they used? I’ll have to do some looking around for the Queen pattern number.
 
BP_ said:
Nice! Thank you! I also noticed the main blade said “carbon” on it. Any idea what steel they used? I’ll have to do some looking around for the Queen pattern number.
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I know Queen used 1095 carbon, but not sure if they may have used other alloys as well in the carbon family. I usually think 1095 when I hear "carbon" but I know there is a wide range it could be.
 
Rookie82 said:
I know Queen used 1095 carbon, but not sure if they may have used other alloys as well in the carbon family. I usually think 1095 when I hear "carbon" but I know there is a wide range it could be.
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I appreciate the help. I assumed 1095 or possibly, not likely D2, but figured they probably used 1095 and the “1 of 25” on the blade more than likely being the production number for this particular cover.
 
BP_ said:
I appreciate the help. I assumed 1095 or possibly, not likely D2, but figured they probably used 1095 and the “1 of 25” on the blade more than likely being the production number for this particular cover.
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In the DFC era they had a special stamp that said D2 when they used that steel.
 
Also, Queen's D2 blades were etched 'Tool Steel', whereas their other stainless blades were called 'Queen Steel'. For the most part, that was 440C in the largest part of their history, going all the way back to post-WWII era. Then much later they transitioned to 420HC for a short period before they eventually went out of business.
 
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Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate the information. I like this knife a lot, and think it will make a great user since it doesn’t have box or papers. Good snap, well centered, no gaps and no rub.
 
Obsessed with Edges said:
Also, Queen's D2 blades were etched 'Tool Steel', whereas their other stainless blades were called 'Queen Steel'. For the most part, that was 440C in the largest part of their history, going all the way back to post-WWII era. Then much later they transitioned to 420HC for a short period before they eventually went out of business.
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My Queen with D2 is marked with a “P” meaning Peters heat treat. Is the “Tool Steel” mark from the Daniels era?
 
brownshoe said:
My Queen with D2 is marked with a “P” meaning Peters heat treat. Is the “Tool Steel” mark from the Daniels era?
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So far as I know, it is (or maybe not - see my comment below).

EDITED: I looked up when the Daniels family acquired Queen, apparently in 2012. I think my knives might be from earlier (late '90s - early 2000s, first decade or so). My Queen D2 blades are also stamped with 'PH-D2' on the tang, and the boxes they came in were also labeled with 'Tool Steel'. Pics below of the markings on one of mine (#49 stockman in Amber Carved Stag Bone), for example.
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BP_ said:
Well we’ve got “P” and “PH-D2” and “Tool Steel” so I’m wondering what simply “Carbon” means. Assuming nothing fancy but curious why it’s different.

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'Carbon' likely refers to 1095 steel. I know their unique 'Queen City' line of knives had 1095 blades, for example, when they were still under U.S. ownership before going out of business.
 
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Obsessed with Edges said:
'Carbon' likely refers to 1095 steel. I know their unique 'Queen City' line of knives had 1095 blades, for example, when they were still under U.S. ownership before going out of business.
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I assumed 1095 as well. Also thinking the stamp is different because it was built under the DFC name, but that is just a guess.
 
BP_ said:
I assumed 1095 as well. Also thinking the stamp is different because it was built under the DFC name, but that is just a guess.
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That seems to make sense to me, with the 'DFC' marking. I hadn't even thought about possible changes to their line after the Daniels family bought them out.
 
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Most of the Queen made Schatt and Morgan’s I have handled have been Stainless (probably some analog of 440 or 420hc), D2, and 1095. All the ones that were carbon and d2 were marked as such. I bet that one is 1095.
 
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Some of the normal Queen stamps from the 90's and 00's carried through the Daniels era as well. Not all Daniel's eras Queens will have a DFC related stamp.
 
I have been searching for a guide of stamps or really any good info on these knives. There’s a lot of information about all the other variations, but I think I’ve gotten more knowledge on this knife in this thread than I did searching the internet.
 
BP_ said:
I have been searching for a guide of stamps or really any good info on these knives. There’s a lot of information about all the other variations, but I think I’ve gotten more knowledge on this knife in this thread than I did searching the internet.
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Goins book is what you are looking for
 
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