What I have learned since joining

I've been a member here five months longer than you and am therefore that much the wiser. Here's a preview of what you'll learn over the next five months:

1) There is no 'best' anything. There is no 'best for the task' either, only one of several which are roughly as good.

2) The 'best' deployment system is the one you deploy best.

3) Cold Steel doesn't make any knives. They don't make adult-size shorts either, which is very unfortunate.

4) You can buy two Condors and two Moras for half the price of of the typical Rat/Scarp/ESEE. Together, those will CRUSH the... oops, that was so five months ago!

5) Soft steels hold less of an edge but take less time to sharpen. Hard steels hold the edge longer but take longer to sharpen. Whichever way you go, your sharpening effort per cut/slice is the about the same. Stop worrying about the steel so much.
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
So handle material now puts knives in different categories? And G10 should make a knife jump up to the next price level, whatever that might be? Just because your knife snobbery makes you turn your nose up when you see a FRN handle, doesn't make FRN bad or even cheaper to produce. It might actually be a more expensive knife than a G10 one, since the cost of the molds has to be accounted for which can cost anywhere from 20K to 50K depending on how complex it is. And FRN might actually be a better handle material even though you don't like it. So because you don't like it, knives with FRN must never be compared to those with G10. When is the last time that you broke a FRN knife handle? I'm willing to bet never so when is the last time you have seen a picture of a broken one? I bet you can't even find a picture of one because the stuff is bomb proof. G10 on the other hand can chip because I have done it. Just because you like one thing, doesn't mean that everyone else should take that into consideration when comparing knives around here.

I would personally rather have the Griptilian with it's FRN handles over the Manix 2 given that they both have the same blade steel and could care less which of the 2 you like better.
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Please tell me how it makes sense that the Manix 2 and Grip cost the same amount and yet the Manix has G10 scales which SHOULD bring up the cost but it doesnt in this case. You have some serious reading comprehension problems since I never once said FRN was inferior but its pretty obvious G10 costs more period. Whether I think G10 is superior or not to FRN has nothing to do with this conversation because every single company prices G10 higher than FRN. In fact 80% of my knives are FRN scaled so really I dont see what you are trying to accomplish here. The Manix 2 is obviously the superior value here and that was all I was trying to say but yet here you are trying to compare the two in value and telling everyone the sky is red. Fanboyism at its best here, continue to amuse me :cool:.
 
No Need to get worked up. Both pretty good knives IMHO. Watch the videos they should amuse you. Courtesy of Ankerson :)

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kawr said:
Please tell me how it makes sense that the Manix 2 and Grip cost the same amount and yet the Manix has G10 scales which SHOULD bring up the cost but it doesnt in this case. You have some serious reading comprehension problems since I never once said FRN was inferior but its pretty obvious G10 costs more period. Whether I think G10 is superior or not to FRN has nothing to do with this conversation because every single company prices G10 higher than FRN. In fact 80% of my knives are FRN scaled so really I dont see what you are trying to accomplish here. The Manix 2 is obviously the superior value here and that was all I was trying to say but yet here you are trying to compare the two in value and telling everyone the sky is red. Fanboyism at its best here, continue to amuse me :cool:.
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If the Grip feels much better in my hand than the Manix, how is it a better value? If I prefer a thumbstud to the hole, how is the Manix a better value?

That isn't fanboyism, it's the reality of the marketplace.
 
kawr said:
Please tell me how it makes sense that the Manix 2 and Grip cost the same amount and yet the Manix has G10 scales which SHOULD bring up the cost but it doesnt in this case. You have some serious reading comprehension problems since I never once said FRN was inferior but its pretty obvious G10 costs more period. Whether I think G10 is superior or not to FRN has nothing to do with this conversation because every single company prices G10 higher than FRN. In fact 80% of my knives are FRN scaled so really I dont see what you are trying to accomplish here. The Manix 2 is obviously the superior value here and that was all I was trying to say but yet here you are trying to compare the two in value and telling everyone the sky is red. Fanboyism at its best here, continue to amuse me :cool:.
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G10 is esentially a piece of colored fiberglass and can be found on knives that cost less than $20. Why should a knife cost more because it comes with G10? Because you have extensive knowledge building and pricing mass produced cutlery? Sal has even explained how he will use G10 on a knife because the expense of making the FRN molds is cost prohibitive. Considering the Griptilian can be had for about 15% less than the Manix 2 there is no reason the two knives can't be compared to each other no matter what misguided thoughts you have on the matter.

And how am I telling everyone the sky is red? What have I said that is not true? I think you got the fanboy thing backwards because I am not a Griptilian fan but you have talked highly about the Manix 2 on the forums. You are trying to make it sound like it is a much better deal and that the two knives shouldn't even be compared to each other. I'm not the one being blinded by love of a knife.

All I was originally trying to do is tell the OP that the knife he was interested in could actually be purchased for less than what he believed the fair value to be and a fraction of his quoted price for the knife. The two knives just happened to be similar in price although as I said the Griptilian can be purchased for less than the Manix 2 if you shop around. You then decided to stick your nose in and show your ass. Again.
 
ThePharce said:
If the Grip feels much better in my hand than the Manix, how is it a better value? If I prefer a thumbstud to the hole, how is the Manix a better value?

That isn't fanboyism, it's the reality of the marketplace.
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What does your feelings of the Grip have to do with value? Preferances aside, comparing just the materials offered between the two knives its obvious which knife offers more for your money. G10/154CM vs FRN/154CM. Thats what it boils down to when it comes to bang for your buck. Now if you prefer the thumbstud and axis lock than that shouldnt be part of the discussion for pure value. You can argue that in a different and more broad topic of which knife is the better knife. For the record I think the Griptilian is a superior knife to the Manix because of the Axis lock and much lighter weight but I'm not going to factor that in when you compare the two knives in terms of bang for your buck value.
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
G10 is esentially a piece of colored fiberglass and can be found on knives that cost less than $20. Why should a knife cost more because it comes with G10? Because you have extensive knowledge building and pricing mass produced cutlery? Sal has even explained how he will use G10 on a knife because the expense of making the FRN molds is cost prohibitive. Considering the Griptilian can be had for about 15% less than the Manix 2 there is no reason the two knives can't be compared to each other no matter what misguided thoughts you have on the matter.

And how am I telling everyone the sky is red? What have I said that is not true? I think you got the fanboy thing backwards because I am not a Griptilian fan but you have talked highly about the Manix 2 on the forums. You are trying to make it sound like it is a much better deal and that the two knives shouldn't even be compared to each other. I'm not the one being blinded by love of a knife.

All I was originally trying to do is tell the OP that the knife he was interested in could actually be purchased for less than what he believed the fair value to be and a fraction of his quoted price for the knife. The two knives just happened to be similar in price although as I said the Griptilian can be purchased for less than the Manix 2 if you shop around. You then decided to stick your nose in and show your ass. Again.
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Once you have the FRN molds its cheaper to produce FRN scales, especially in popular models where the quantity of sale pays for the mold. Tell the whole truth instead of leaving out parts to make yourself sound competent. I'm not a Manix fan but I'm not dumb enough to say G10/154CM is the same as FRN/154CM. Everyone knows you pay a premium for the butterfly stamp so try again.
 
kawr said:
What does your feelings of the Grip have to do with value? Preferances aside, comparing just the materials offered between the two knives its obvious which knife offers more for your money. G10/154CM vs FRN/154CM. Thats what it boils down to when it comes to bang for your buck. Now if you prefer the thumbstud and axis lock than that shouldnt be part of the discussion for pure value. You can argue that in a different and more broad topic of which knife is the better knife. For the record I think the Griptilian is a superior knife to the Manix because of the Axis lock and much lighter weight but I'm not going to factor that in when you compare the two knives in terms of bang for your buck value.
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That argument can be taken in all sorts of directions. Whether or not G10 is superior isn't a fact but a matter of opinion nor is it something that automatically increases the value of a knife. Were that true, the Cold Steel American Lawman would be considered superior to either the Griptilian or the Manix due to not only having G10, but the tri-ad lock. Value is in the eye of the beholder. That's the point. I can put together a completely horribly designed knife with S30V and a G10 handle and sell it for $50...if it's not a good design for most people, does it make the knife a good value? (not saying the Manix isn't a good design here...it just isn't as good of a design FOR ME).

The point here is that value is subjective. Are the G10 handles worth it for a knife which doesn't fit as well in my hand? No? Then the Manix isn't as good of a value as the Grip....FOR ME.
 
ThePharce said:
That argument can be taken in all sorts of directions. Whether or not G10 is superior isn't a fact but a matter of opinion nor is it something that automatically increases the value of a knife. Were that true, the Cold Steel American Lawman would be considered superior to either the Griptilian or the Manix due to not only having G10, but the tri-ad lock. Value is in the eye of the beholder. That's the point. I can put together a completely horribly designed knife with S30V and a G10 handle and sell it for $50...if it's not a good design for most people, does it make the knife a good value? (not saying the Manix isn't a good design here...it just isn't as good of a design FOR ME).

The point here is that value is subjective. Are the G10 handles worth it for a knife which doesn't fit as well in my hand? No? Then the Manix isn't as good of a value as the Grip....FOR ME.
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I was just comparing materials vs materials, theres no point in ever debating between things that come down to preference. G10 costs more, thats my only reasoning. You get more expensive materials for the same money. Thats all and thats really not up for debate unless FRN becomes more expensive than G10. If that becomes the case I'll gladly crown the Griptilan. I agree with everything else said but I'm not debating those things.
 
I own many Spyderco's, but I EDC an SnG :o

And yeah, it's got the round hole opener too.


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kawr said:
Once you have the FRN molds its cheaper to produce FRN scales, especially in popular models where the quantity of sale pays for the mold. Tell the whole truth instead of leaving out parts to make yourself sound competent. I'm not a Manix fan but I'm not dumb enough to say G10/154CM is the same as FRN/154CM. Everyone knows you pay a premium for the butterfly stamp so try again.
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What did I leave out? Seriously? You keep throwing around accusations trying to make yourself look competent. G10 is not some exotic and expensive material. It is fiberglass and dyed resin. So because you THINK it is more expensive that means the knife should cost twice as much, and it doesn't so it must be the best deal on earth? There might be 50 cents more worth of handle material when bought in bulk. Big deal. You need to stop assuming G10 is some rare exotic material when it is basically a fiberglass filled plastic just like FRN. And your last sentence shows who the fanboy is. Stop trying to turn things around and look in the mirror.
 
cziv said:
I just looked at the picture of the Szabo and it's stolen from Charlie Mike! That's a waved Police 3 all the way. Maybe they added a 1/2 inch to it. But that a Charlie Mike job all day long! :D
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Can you post a link to this?
 
No shit? What lock are they using?

I'll have to wave one.
 
yup... waving it would not take away from the strength/integrity of the blade.
 
link2derek said:
There are FOUR things that I have learned about knives:

1. The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know;

2. Get a Sebenza;

3. Don't share everything that you know;

4.
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Posts like this make me sick to my stomach. I've been fighting this illness for weeks, but now I've just ordered a Large Sebenza 21 Left Hand. I'm going to go broke reading this stuff. Damn you link2derek, damn you! Why did I ever find bladeforums.com?

Pete
 
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