What is a big knife for?

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I have been bit hard by the Scandi-bug and have been putting my 10.00 Moras through their paces. I have also been buying blades with the intention of making handles.

I love these blades because:

1) They are so damn cheap... 10-12 bucks for a Mora or slightly fancier naked blades like the Karesuando.
2) The heat-treat looks universally good.
3) Lots of variety.
4) Thousand + years of design and heritage means that these designs are very evolved. This is unlike North America where the desire for newness and innovation has resulted in lots of designs that look cool but it's hard to figure out what they are for. To my way of thinking they are almost universally too thick and too expensive. Seeing Mors Kochanski drive his thin stock Mora through a 4 inch spruce is a bit of an eye opener as is his bag full of very expensive knives used to talk about knife design but unused, and neglected.
Since using Moras I now have a similar bag. I can do much more with my $12.00 Mora than I could or would with my $130.00 Camp Tramp.

With the Mora I can quickly bend and cut the 1-2" saplings for shelter building, cut a set of wooden wedges off a 10" Spruce firelog and then start a crack. 5 minutes of baton work and I have 6 chunks of usable and dry fire wood. The Camp Tramp will do the above about 10% faster. It will also rough and shape wood a bit faster.

However it would be very poor at the fine work which the Mora excells...like filliting a fish, making hanging sicks for the fire or trap parts or carving a spoon.

I have heard it said that a small knife can't do the task of a big knife where a big knife can do the job of a little one. When trained in the use of a baton I think this is almost exactly wrong. The tough small knife can do big knife chores only a little more slowly but the big knife lacks the cutting and maneuvering ability to do small knife chores at all well.

When the going gets really tough you need an axe.

I still look forward to trying a 8" leuku though.

I could be wrong but my big thick knives are spending most of their time in the knife bag lately.
 
I totally agree with that.

I have a couple of Frosts mora bladed knives, all about 4 inches in blade length, and a Grohman trout and bird knife and my old Buck Woodsman. They do about 90% of what I have to do in the out doors. If I need a biger blade I don't want to bother with just a bigger knife. I just have no need of a knife between 5 and 12 inches. My next step up from the mora is the 12 inch Ontario machete. The Ontario can work like a small hatchet, do limbing work, slice up large things like a haunch of some thing.

A sak, mora, and 12 inch Ontario seems to cover all my needs.
 
One of the naked blades I bought is an 8" Leuku. I'll give it a try but the more skilled I get with an axe and hatchet the more I like them for Boreal forest work. Some folks mention that a big knife blade is much better for cleaning light vegitation than an axe but I can't remember this ever being much of a need where I am. If there is lots of light vegetation why not leave it alone and camp 10 years away where there is none? Similarly if the wood is too long why not put it cross ways on the fire and burn through it letting it heat me rather than cut it and having me heat it?

I have come to respect the native tradition and here it is a small to medium knife for slicing and an axe for chopping. I have never seen a native person use a big knife except the Inuit who use their big butcher knives for...well mostly butchering and snowhouse building as well as occasional rough shaping of wood.... repairing the komatiq or such...much like a Cree or Dene might use a crooked knife.

I am interested in the Scandinavian designs for the same reason I watch the native people or old timer around here. Something fine tuned over generations for an environment must be useful. The Scandinavian Spruce-Moose forest is similar to my present environment. The designs also seem to fit here. Given that metal work has been practiced for well over 1000 years in Scandenavia I think we are able to make use of the intelligence of generations of thoughtful cultural evolution when we look at a scandi-blade.

I see and feel no such evolution when I look at and use some of the sharpened crowbars that pass for some North American knife design. I see mostly the power of gee whiz marketing.

Maybe they do excell in another environment but I am unsure where or why.
I will not include the Machete which has obviously evolved due to the needs of a different environment.
 
North61,, you aint gunna last long if you keep posting stuff like this my friend. The big chopper mafia is gunna start swinging at you with there survival knives and you will die of blunt trauma injuries.:D Loan them one of your Moras to help make the job quick and painless. We dont want you to suffer to bad.:p
 
The big chopper mafia is gunna start swinging at you with there survival knives and you will die of blunt trauma injuries.:D Loan them one of your Moras to help make the job quick and painless
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:D :D :D very funny Dirk.

You always can use those big choppers for killing Orcs and Cave Trolls when out and about:thumbup:
 
Dirk: I'll be careful. Not trying to cause a flame war. I have given these big knives a try...I own a heavily reprofiled and rehandled Trailmaster and a Camptramp... They are strong knives but for the life of me I just don't get them.

I'll admit to being biased by a bit of time spent at the feet of Kochanski recently. He taught us how to really use that little Mora and I am pretty amazed what the little bugger can do in skilled hands. (his hands not mine just yet but I have cut myself only once) Perhaps a similar master with a big knife would open my eyes the other way. I have seen Ron Hood videos and can't quite buy in.

What am I missing?
 
I agree, in N America and Europe a 4" should be able to do anything when paired with a belt hatchet or a folding saw.

Big knives are impressive, there must be some primeval thing going on in the old noggin that just makes you want them, when the pragmatic part of you brain just rolls its eyes.
 
Hmm. "Big Chopper mafia." Is that like the "SAK Mafia," the "Tracker Mafia," or the "I Just Discovered $10.00 MORA's Mafia"? :D

Everyone needs to discover, by experience, what works for them in the environment in which they function. For me, thats most often a 4-5" fixed-blade knife, folding prunning saw, and multitool.

For others, including "natives," its an 18" 26oz khukuri, a 16" parang, or an 18" machete.

Telling folks who have been using "big" blades (sometimes for centuries) that you know better is a waste of breath -- or in this case, bandwidth. Adding sarcasm closes off communcation. Now showing -- that might help open minds to new possibilities.
 
Necroshine said:
Number one reason people prefer a 6"-12" knife: The movies.
Before FIRST BLOOD came on in the early eighties about the only knives I noticed around camp were Bucks, Ka-Bar styles, & USAF survival styles. After everyone saw John J. Rambo win his battles with his knife, we all had to get one or two or twenty-three :rolleyes: .

Later..............sd550
 
Just got back from a couple of days out fishing and camping with a buddy and my younger brother. It was the first time he'd got to use my Becker BK-9, which I think would fall into the category of a big outdoor blade. After a couple of minutes he said "This is a fantastic knife!" and hardly put it down all weekend. He used it as a spatula to flip steaks, to dice onions, to peel and crush garlic, to cut up potatoes and even as a butter knife.

I'm tempted to get the blade re-engraved to read "Cooking Bowie" instead of "Combat Bowie" :).

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It also did a great job on cutting firewood, too, and it was nice to have around, just in case we needed to de-animate an SUV or something :).
 
Can you split a 4" thick, 12" long log with your Mora? No? A Ka-Bar can.

The point of Big knives is to fill the gap between moras and hatchets

"In the begining the Lord Created the Mora from the Dust of the gound. And The Lord said "it is not good that the mora should be alone. let us make for him a helper". And so the Lord removed the Moras finger guard, and fashoned from it the long knife, to help the mora with large and stubron tasks."

THE End.
 
rdelliott said:
Just got back from a couple of days out fishing and camping with a buddy and my younger brother. It was the first time he'd got to use my Becker BK-9, which I think would fall into the category of a big outdoor blade. After a couple of minutes he said "This is a fantastic knife!" and hardly put it down all weekend. He used it as a spatula to flip steaks, to dice onions, to peel and crush garlic, to cut up potatoes and even as a butter knife.

I'm tempted to get the blade re-engraved to read "Cooking Bowie" instead of "Combat Bowie" :).

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It also did a great job on cutting firewood, too, and it was nice to have around, just in case we needed to de-animate an SUV or something :).

Man, those are some NICE looking steaks. I just got hungry!:D
 
jackknife said:
Man, those are some NICE looking steaks. I just got hungry!:D

They tasted GREAT. Flat-out amazing. Dunno what it is about cooking outdoors over an open fire, but some of the best meals I've ever had haven't come from restaurants...
 
mr.trooper said:
Can you split a 4" thick, 12" long log with your Mora? No? A Ka-Bar can.

The point of Big knives is to fill the gap between moras and hatchets

THE End.

Well actually with a baton I can... but it might take just a bit longer. In fact with some wooden wedges split out with the Mora I can do way better than 4". You could with the Ka-Bar too.

I guess as a 280 pound formerly athletic guy I have come to admire power to weight ratio. Perhaps it's wishful thinking.

Precision is something else again. With the fine point on the Mora I can also whittle my kid a toy rooster.

I'll also concede that if a big knife floats your boat...have at her. better whittle a really large rooster though!:D
 
My Father and Norse Grandfather used Mora knives before I was born , they didn't call them that but that is what they looked like . They were home-made from files mostly. Later on my Dad got a Mora that is in good shape after 35 years , he uses it for a shop knife. Pretty good for costing 2 bucks.

For me when I go backpacking a knife is used for preparing food for the main. Don't use one ever for fire-making , use a lighter/matches and dead branches of various sizes for that.

I don't make a bough bed or make a shelter from natural materials instead I use a sleeping pad and a tent.

In hunting season then the same 4 inch Mora will do for gutting but I like a 3 1/2" blade the best for that . Cutting up the deer for the freezer a thin 6" slicing blade is better .

I like blades 3/32" - 1/16" thick . Anytime I need a heavier blade then out comes the hatchet or axe.

Some years back I picked up a 6" Solingen blade at a yard sale , I put a handle on it and tried it out . It works great for splitting wood and digging. Too big and thick for much else IMO. Maybe if I grew up with larger thick blades I'd feel different.
 
I realy dont understand why people can't just realise everyone is different and has different needs for their knives. I like and use the bigger blades all the time, my favorite being a camptramp, however I still like the smaller ones and will carry them as well when I can.

The big knives like swamp rats, beckers and rangers are NOT Rambo knives ( hollow handle weak POS) and yes they can work very well at what they are designed for.

When out walking and camping on foot, I am not gonna carry an ax, but the camptramp will be at my side all day long. There is very few camp jobs, be it large or small that I can't do with a good quality 7" plus blade.

Again, each to their own. Use what works for you..
 
This comes up every couple of months and flares up. If you don't like big knives, don't use them. I use both in the woods, and they both have their place.

Don't be so pretentious to act like you know what's best for everyone else, though. I use moras quite a bit around the house, but would never consider one for survival. I bet khukuris have been around as long as moras.

Judge me all you like, but keep the verdict to yourself.
 
mr.trooper said:
Can you split a 4" thick, 12" long log with your Mora? No? .

Yes, if you have any clue as to how a knife can be used. Get a little branch and carve a chisel point on it and use that to split the wood.

First make a starter split

First-Split.jpg


Then follow up with a wedge

Wedge-Split.jpg
 
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