What is a Double Sided Chisel Grind?

Okay, so maybe a little bit of a spoil-sport. :D It's just one o' them pet peeves of mine. Making one really doesn't bother me -- it would would be monster to grind and quite a teaching tool. But making money off someone's design is the part that bothers me a bit.
 
I understand and was just Joking.

Now to make one...or at least the way I saw it done on TV was to find a junk car, take a piece of spring and use it to break off another piece of spring. Use a bow drill to start a campfire and use the campfire as a forge. Use the first piece of broken spring as a hammer to forge the knife from the second piece of broken spring.

Bring to critical and quench in cold water. Don't temper and test by throwing it at trees.

HMMMMMM
 
I'll tell ya what, if Beck wants to make this one he can have the sale. I'll bow out. He can say so anytime between now and until I finish it. Until then I'm making it. AND don't you ever even think of copying one of mine. I'll sue ya.

Now, I believe the original question of what is a double-sided chisel grind has been answered. That is all I wanted to know to begin with.

RL
 
Just tossing in my two cents. If you feel okay with it, then go ahead. Not my problem, nor my integrity.

"AND don't you ever even think of copying one of mine. I'll sue ya."

:confused: You don't have to worry about that -- it's not my cup of tea.

Carry on --
 
I thought I heard that there was a big thingy that happened somewhere between the origional guy(s) making them and them going to mass production with lawsuits threatened and all that stuff. If I remember right alot of it actually revolved more around the name then the actual design though. You can't call it a "Beck" type knife, though you could call it a "utility survival knife inspired by Beck's design". That said, it's on my list of knives to make one day too, though my version will have a few slight modifications to it, remember to show us yours when it's done. :cool:
 
That all makes good sence to me. I did not mention this but I was told Beck no longer makes the knife. I don't know. Yeah, I'll post it when finished. Its going to be interesting :eek:. All prayers are welcome.

RL
 
Beck is still making the knives. He took his website down and is trying to slow down his work load(from what I have read on the forums). Roger - my one design issue is that that damn grind is almost too steep because of the 1/4" stock. I think 3/16 material will lend to better cutting knife but this may alter the aperance some. Just a thought.
 
I will be using 1/4 inch O1. If I need to I'll just bring the grind up some. Thanks for the thought. I see your point.

RL
 
my one design issue is that that damn grind is almost too steep because of the 1/4" stock. I think 3/16
This is moving away from topic again but That's one of the many things I dislike about the design. If you go to 3/16 it won't be much of a chopper. This is a classic case of trying to make a knife that will do many things....but none well!
 
peter nap said:
If you go to 3/16 it won't be much of a chopper. This is a classic case of trying to make a knife that will do many things....but none well!

HEy now...I made a camp knife from 3/16 and it actually chops better than my Beck and sclices way better. I guess 1/4" would be better to chop logs but for misc 6" dia. wood my 3/16" does fine.
 
All right. I'll concede that many camp knives with 3/16 blades chop very well. But not this one. I don't mean to offend anyone that has one so please don't take it that way.
The Tracker was invented to look like a survival knife. I get a little irritated at the survival experts that make money teaching people how to do things that many of us learned as a matter of growing up. They sell them on these fantasy knives and load them up with so much survival gear that the people leave it at home instead of having a few things with them all the time.

Back to the knife. Pay attention to how you chop with your camp knife. You naturally position the blade where the center of power or sweet spot is. It is going to be the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the blade.

The Tracker puts the part that needs the most power at the least powerful point. He gets around that (I think because someone called him on it) by calling the "Double chisel grind" a "Splitting Edge" as well as slicer. That area is where the chopper should be.

This arrangement also makes fine cutting work difficult because the finer edge is landlocked.

The sawback is like most saw backs ...useless for anything except very limited use. I have a SOG Power Plier with a saw blade. The only time I have used it is to cut notches for snare triggers and I could have done that with any blade.

The wire cutter....how many people in survival situations have to crawl through razor wire...besides, the wire cutter is not a good design and requires tension on the wire to work.

Brown makes an issue about being able to scratch scrimshaw lines with his knife.....WHO CARES. What's that for ...scrimshawing maps so you can find your way back.

Because of the fat chopping edge the knife is much to tip heavy.

I don't know Mr. Brown but given his knife design, I wouldn't pay him to teach survival skills. I remember when Rambo came out. The only real survival knife then was a HOLLOW HANDLE. Another idiot design. The round handle was weak and because it was round it was difficult to index in your hand without looking at it.

In short.....If you are looking for a real survival knife, you would be much better off with your camp knife than this silly looking thing.

Not that I have an opinion mind you.. :footinmou

Also remember...the best survival tool you will ever own (other than a brain) is the one you have with you and survival situations don't just happen in the woods.

End of narrow minded rant. :o
 
peter nap said:
The Tracker puts the part that needs the most power at the least powerful point. He gets around that (I think because someone called him on it) by calling the "Double chisel grind" a "Splitting Edge" as well as slicer. That area is where the chopper should be.

You are very correct. When I chop with the tracker I have to try not or purposfully try not to hit the hook or draw knife edge.....
 
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