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Warren Thomas charges in the $250 range for his smallest Ti with carbide neckers IIRC.
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What is appeal of titanium handle?
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THG, I always cringe a bit when there are concerns/complaints and even reviews with our blems that hit market. Product that does not pass QC can land in the warehouse sale for a variety of reasons, a sticky lock being one of them. Our blems seemingly have a reputation that they only have scratch and dent issues, which is certainly not the case.
You get what you pay for, and when you get conservative on the purchase of a high dollar titanium piece and go with a 2nd, know that there potentially can be issues with the lock, action, grinds, and/or finish.
With this said, to not understand the appeal of a Ti knife based on the above experience is perhaps not quite giving the material or the knife a fair shake.
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that is amazing... however it raises this question:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=758252
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=758252
It looks, feels and is high quaility. And to me, it is worth every penny.
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Carbon Fiber
Titanium
G-10
And more or less that order! I love the stuff! I can't understand why a knife person wouldn't be drawn to it? My Buck Mayo's my BM635, my Strider PT and the others I own are some of my favorite EDC's.
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Titanium
G-10
And more or less that order! I love the stuff! I can't understand why a knife person wouldn't be drawn to it? My Buck Mayo's my BM635, my Strider PT and the others I own are some of my favorite EDC's.
:thumbup:Thank you. I am looking now. So many at so many prices.
You're right. I know that I was probably being a drama queen about it. Lucky for me the problem seems to have finally gone away. My thumbs are a bit sore from wearing it in, though
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because its 'rare' and expensive and strong.
i value strength but g10 is strong enough for me, and much lighter, more confortable, the list is long
i value strength but g10 is strong enough for me, and much lighter, more confortable, the list is long
ti is my fav handle material, its lite, usually slim, slides in/out of the pocket easily, & imho the handle shape has a lot more to do with a good grip than grip material.
imho ya cant get a better more secure grip than a crawford kasper or perfigo, both ti, because of the grip shape.
sure scuffs are a problem, especially on BB stuff, i edc my spyderco ti ATR a lot and its IIRC stonewashed and it has very few scuffs even after 5 yrs of part time edc, imho the worst for scuffs is anod'd ti, it really does scuff badly, shows it badly too.
micarta is #2, and G10 #3, i do not like FRN myself, though its perfectly functional for handles, and tough, i just dont care for how it looks, to me it just screams "cheap".
imho ya cant get a better more secure grip than a crawford kasper or perfigo, both ti, because of the grip shape.
sure scuffs are a problem, especially on BB stuff, i edc my spyderco ti ATR a lot and its IIRC stonewashed and it has very few scuffs even after 5 yrs of part time edc, imho the worst for scuffs is anod'd ti, it really does scuff badly, shows it badly too.
micarta is #2, and G10 #3, i do not like FRN myself, though its perfectly functional for handles, and tough, i just dont care for how it looks, to me it just screams "cheap".
Exactly how I feel. The only thing I like about all Ti is if its engraved or decorated somehow. Otherwise, I like G10
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:thumbup: If I look at the amount of Ti used in some knives and see what some plain Ti rings cost I can easily understand the price point. My friend is a jeweler and he said the amount of Ti used for an XM18 or Seb it could easily cost 3/4 of the entire knife.
In ZA a plain Ti ring costs R500 and upwards. He explained that the amount of Ti used he could get 4-5 rings out of a Seb handle. That gives you R2000. I bought my large seb for R3400 (excluding customs). So that is R1400 on heat treat, blade, fit and finish alone. Well worth it in my opinion!
Dont worry. I was there to. Took me 3years of saving for my first all Ti knife and I loved her to bits (got mugged). Just keep at it and one day spoil yourself!
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I don't think the cost of some over priced jewelery has anything to do with estimating cost of raw materials like a sheet of ti. I can buy a ti ring off Ebay for $20 which I assume is quite a bit cheaper. I also think there is quite a bit more ti in a knife than the amount in 3 or 4 rings. That is a pretty skewed way of looking at things. I wonder if it works in reverse? I can get a 12 carat bottle of diamond spray for under 20 bucks so I'm going to go buy that diamond ring my girlfriend has been bugging me about.
As far as ti knives I'm personally not a huge fan of metal handles. A ti knife is 'neat' but there are other materials that I like better in a folding knife. They don't show wear nearly as bad and weigh even less than titanium.
Cold, slippery, usually not very attractive (Monochromatic), expensive, heavy. (lighter than steel, but not lighter than G10, FRN, carbon fiber, wood, zytel, aluminium)
Not my cup of tea for handle scales. As liners, yes. But put a scale on it. (I like Spyderco's PPT lock...best of both worlds, IMO, only it's SS rather than TI.)
Not my cup of tea for handle scales. As liners, yes. But put a scale on it. (I like Spyderco's PPT lock...best of both worlds, IMO, only it's SS rather than TI.)
To make my final reply for my post, I will say the FRN on my Delica 4 feels wonderful. While I have no experience in handling other types of scales like most here I see little reason to change. Thanks for all the replies. I learned a lot and appreciate it
ThomasW,
My two blems, a 1725CB anf 1725SG2, seem to be anomalies. The CB is bladed/function just like the black G10 production unit I have - just in a non-production, but very attractive, grey G10 with the fuselage pattern, the blade's composite structure and sharpness being identical. Then there is the Ti/SG2 comparison. Here, the blade lamination is clearly off-center on the blem - function/sharpness being identical (These are the two sharpest right out of the box knives I've ever bought.). The blem's extra frequent carry duties have resulted in shiney corners - and even the head of the pivot screw has been pocket-polished - over the production knife's, too. Of course, the $79 blem was bought as a user, as my production knife was the last 'decent' priced 1725SG2 - they dried up!
Now - about galling - it occurs in machined Ti, too - reamed or planed, when the result goes from a planed cut to one that appears torn - and drags. My first Ti exemplifies this - the Buck 560XLT, a Ti handled 110 blade. Horribly stiff operation. Buck eventually 'got it right' - witness my 172 Mayo TNT - what a great knife! Benchmades, whether the Ti-lined 425/426; one-sided Ti frame-lock 755; or full Ti frame-locks, like my 630/635/760/& 790 models. I really like them - great and affordable craftsmanship. I am a confirmed knife-slut - and I love T I T A N - eeee - YUM!
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My two blems, a 1725CB anf 1725SG2, seem to be anomalies. The CB is bladed/function just like the black G10 production unit I have - just in a non-production, but very attractive, grey G10 with the fuselage pattern, the blade's composite structure and sharpness being identical. Then there is the Ti/SG2 comparison. Here, the blade lamination is clearly off-center on the blem - function/sharpness being identical (These are the two sharpest right out of the box knives I've ever bought.). The blem's extra frequent carry duties have resulted in shiney corners - and even the head of the pivot screw has been pocket-polished - over the production knife's, too. Of course, the $79 blem was bought as a user, as my production knife was the last 'decent' priced 1725SG2 - they dried up!
Now - about galling - it occurs in machined Ti, too - reamed or planed, when the result goes from a planed cut to one that appears torn - and drags. My first Ti exemplifies this - the Buck 560XLT, a Ti handled 110 blade. Horribly stiff operation. Buck eventually 'got it right' - witness my 172 Mayo TNT - what a great knife! Benchmades, whether the Ti-lined 425/426; one-sided Ti frame-lock 755; or full Ti frame-locks, like my 630/635/760/& 790 models. I really like them - great and affordable craftsmanship. I am a confirmed knife-slut - and I love T I T A N - eeee - YUM!
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I don't think the cost of some over priced jewelery has anything to do with estimating cost of raw materials like a sheet of ti. I can buy a ti ring off Ebay for $20 which I assume is quite a bit cheaper. I also think there is quite a bit more ti in a knife than the amount in 3 or 4 rings. That is a pretty skewed way of looking at things. I wonder if it works in reverse? I can get a 12 carat bottle of diamond spray for under 20 bucks so I'm going to go buy that diamond ring my girlfriend has been bugging me about.
As far as ti knives I'm personally not a huge fan of metal handles. A ti knife is 'neat' but there are other materials that I like better in a folding knife. They don't show wear nearly as bad and weigh even less than titanium.
No you're on to it man. Buy her a $20 titanium ring from fleabay and spray it several times with your diamond stropping spray (several coats) talk about some eye-popping bling!! I may just do that and start my own line of 24 carat diamond crusted titanium rings (Keith has 24 carat spray now) and move them on the bay for about $50 a pop.
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Personally, I think nothing is stronger than a full metal handle. Steel is heavy though, and so titanium is better.
All the drawbacks have been mentioned, the advantages too. Handle an XM-18 or a ZT-0300 and you see what the attraction is. Under most conditions, the drawbacks don't come into play.
If a knife has a good design of steel liners combined with G-10 or some other quality material, that is fine too. Even the linerless folders like Cold Steel and Spyderco make seem to lack nothing in ruggedness, so maybe in the end it's just the feel of a mostly metal knife that does it for me. I like them all, but there definitely is something about titanium folders.
All the drawbacks have been mentioned, the advantages too. Handle an XM-18 or a ZT-0300 and you see what the attraction is. Under most conditions, the drawbacks don't come into play.
If a knife has a good design of steel liners combined with G-10 or some other quality material, that is fine too. Even the linerless folders like Cold Steel and Spyderco make seem to lack nothing in ruggedness, so maybe in the end it's just the feel of a mostly metal knife that does it for me. I like them all, but there definitely is something about titanium folders.