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mycough

mycough

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Is a knife that has been sharpened considered new? I say no, the factory edge is gone, replaced by whatever edge the seller has put on it. Calling it new and adding a premium to the price just seems wrong, how do you guys feel about it?

Russ
 
Nothing. What is new with you?

Sorry couldn't help it...what Peter said, btw.
 
Armadew said:
Nothing. What is new with you?

Sorry couldn't help it...what Peter said, btw.
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Glad someone enjoyed my title... the guy has been trying to sell "new" knives with a mirror edge worth 50 to 100$ premium. Then you check his threads and he has bought a wicked Edge, an edge pro, a sharpmaker, and doesn't know how to operate any of them.
It would make me sad if any new buyers got sucked in on these.
Admin has deleted a few because he will post more than one ad a day... I think the exchange should be a fun place and crap like this bums me out.
Russ
 
New means New. As in if bought from a store- someone might have opened the box and looked at the knife and returned it to the box. Indistinguishable from as shipped from the maker.
 
If he says it's "new" and discloses that he has sharpened it, no one is fooled. He just doesn't know what "new" means OR thinks it sounds more valuable.

Were the knife intended to be a user and the seller was an expert sharpener, it might add value, but from what you say he's not an expert.
 
"New" would include the factory edge, to me anyway....

I mean, the word "new" has 100 different variations, but to keep things simple for myself, I would expect the knife to be EXACTLY as it came from the factory/maker.

(A little "fondling" does not make something not "new")
 
mycough said:
Glad someone enjoyed my title... the guy has been trying to sell "new" knives with a mirror edge worth 50 to 100$ premium. Then you check his threads and he has bought a wicked Edge, an edge pro, a sharpmaker, and doesn't know how to operate any of them.
It would make me sad if any new buyers got sucked in on these.
Admin has deleted a few because he will post more than one ad a day... I think the exchange should be a fun place and crap like this bums me out.
Russ
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So he's selling knives that he sharpened with equipment he doesn't know how to properly use as new?

I don't care for that at all.
 
Thomas Linton said:
If he says it's "new" and discloses that he has sharpened it, no one is fooled. He just doesn't know what "new" means OR thinks it sounds more valuable.

Were the knife intended to be a user and the seller was an expert sharpener, it might add value, but from what you say he's not an expert.
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^^ I agree

As long as it's clear that he's sharpening them, it shouldn't be a problem.

trevitrace said:
So he's selling knives that he sharpened with equipment he doesn't know how to properly use as new?

I don't care for that at all.
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A long time ago... at a knife and gun show (remember those??) in St. Louis... I bought a "new" knife that had been sharpened by the dealer. He plainly stated that it was sharpened. That was his thing. And for good reason he charged a slight fee for the work. He did a nice job.

Whether or not he does a good job is somewhat subjective (Benchmade actually has a robot that estimates sharpness/resistance of knives). Opinions on sharpness seem to range wildly. I've heard a lot of people describe the edges on traditional knives as "razor sharp" whereas I don't find the factory edge at all usable (not a complaint, just an observation). And in a recent discussion, a lot of folks said they didn't sharpen their knives at all!!

There are some talented folks who provide services. And of course there are some untalented folks also. ;) If the knives are modified in any way, it's not really a problem unless it is not clearly stated. With antique knives, inaccurate descriptions are a serious problem.
 
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Thomas Linton said:
If he says it's "new" and discloses that he has sharpened it, no one is fooled. He just doesn't know what "new" means OR thinks it sounds more valuable.

Were the knife intended to be a user and the seller was an expert sharpener, it might add value, but from what you say he's not an expert.
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This is what I have encountered on ebay. I use the strictest version of new meaning it hasn't been used at all and does not have any signs of wear. People have legitimately messaged me inquiring why I was saying a pair of headphones was used and not new when I said they were in near perfect condition. I didn't know what to tell them. I used them for a couple while... So they're used. How hard is that?

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Monofletch said:
Wouldn't that be "LIKE NEW", but sharpened?
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That would be the highest level of wording I would use to describe something like that. Describing it as "New" would be pushing it imo. As long as there is complete disclosure with the sharpening I guess he can call it whatever he likes and the buyer can decide if they want to purchase.
 
IMO, a knife cannot be accurately described as "new" unless it comes from a dealer, or has only been handled by the first owner with zero evidence of that handling. Anything else is something other than "new." What, exactly, is a different question.
 
Thomas Linton said:
If he says it's "new" and discloses that he has sharpened it, no one is fooled. He just doesn't know what "new" means OR thinks it sounds more valuable.
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Agree
While not the proper use of New IMO, as long as all is disclosed I will understand what I am getting. I can live with misuse of catch phrases with full explanation of condition. It is when they are used with no further explanation of condition that they can become a real problem. I like a little explanation even if it is brand spanken new-just to clarify what the seller thinks the term means.
and even if it is new as from the maker I expect any faults that came with it to be disclosed also.
 
I feel it is a bit misleading and misguided at best. I also would feel bad if a new member gets burned as I said before.
I can take a piece of pine and cut a slot into it, pack it with 5mic diamond paste and saw back and forth for two minutes, the slice another slot and fill it with .5mic paste, scrub back and forth for a few minutes and voila a mirror edge. Depending on the previous condition of the blade it will be sharper too.
Is that worth a premium? Or a slap in the head? You be the judge...



Russ
 
mycough said:
I feel it is a bit misleading and misguided at best. I also would feel bad if a new member gets burned as I said before.
I can take a piece of pine and cut a slot into it, pack it with 5mic diamond paste and saw back and forth for two minutes, the slice another slot and fill it with .5mic paste, scrub back and forth for a few minutes and voila a mirror edge. Depending on the previous condition of the blade it will be sharper too.
Is that worth a premium? Or a slap in the head? You be the judge...



Russ
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^^ Is that blade for sale...I'll take it :D. But seriously, a blade sharpened by the owner is no longer new imo. How do you know something wasn't cut by the blade(used) and then sharpened after the fact??
 
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