What is so great about a Sebenza

loki88 said:
... way above my funds. Will have to wait until an affordable one floats around.
Keep an eye on the sales forums here. You may be able to trade or buy into a used Sebenza for a bit less than a new one, and shipping from one of your fellow knife knuts will be less of a problem than from some dealers, who won't do off-shore sales.

"cr102 641.24 Euro (750$)" is almost three times what it should cost if you're patient! :)

Even used, a Sebenza is going to be in fine shape, especially since you will be using it hard. It may need cleaning which you can do easily yourself and the titanium handles scuff quickly into a random pattern that I actually like.

Meanwhile, I heartily support your support of Spyderco. Good choice for an active duty knife! I just added a Gunting to my collection.
 
loki88 said:
found one in a European shop (www.gatherwood.com) for a standard Sebenza Sebensa cr102 641.24 Euro (750$) without shipping!! way above my funds. Will have to wait until an affordable one floats around.
The Chris Reeve Sebenza is under-priced. They are great knives! (at US $345)
Talk to Neil Ostroff at True North Knives. I think you can get a better price having the knife shipped from Canada than you can get in Belgium. Send Neil an email. It never hurts to ask. The service at True North Knives is second to none.

http://www.truenorthknives.com

Edited to add: I’m pretty sure Neil will ship to Belgium.
 
loki88 said:
found one in a European shop (www.gatherwood.com) for a standard Sebenza Sebensa cr102 641.24 Euro (750$) without shipping!! way above my funds. Will have to wait until an affordable one floats around. And for all those who can pay it. Lucky Bastards ! :D


Used Sebenzas turn up regularly on the Knife Exchange forum. You can find large Sebbies, still in excellent condition, for $260 - 300. Look around, there are some real bargains out there.
 
You can order one to the Paris Kindal cutlery-shop (they are CRK official dealer). The large Sebenza price is 420€.

Kindal - Paris
33 Avenue De L'opera
75002 Paris
(1) 42 61 70 78


Call them : they are very kind !
:D
 
A word of caution.

Many people do not like the sebenza, that's why they are so hot in the resale market.

Many people do not like the ergonomics, they find it too boxy. Try one before you buy.

A couple of people don't like the tip up design, it's opened and bit them.

Per looks, the ti handles show wear and the bead blast finish is the cheapest available, partial mirror polish is extra.

The knife warranty does not cover flicking open. If it is such a hard use knife, why does the warranty not cover flicking and how can they know it's been flicked?

The sebenza is hot, because it's cool. It's the Brittany Spears lunchbox of the knife set. Don't forget, for many men a knife is a surrogate penis and every man wants one that is the "best" and envy of his friends.
 
brownshoe said:
A word of caution.

The sebenza is hot, because it's cool. It's the Brittany Spears lunchbox of the knife set. Don't forget, for many men a knife is a surrogate penis and every man wants one that is the "best" and envy of his friends.

Oh no. Here we go. There is always one comment that takes a fine discussion of knives, useage and quality and turns it into a worthless, stupid commentary.

Lets get back to the original purpose of this discussion. The Sebenza is hot first and formost because of the tight tolerances and fine overall construction. Period. However, it also fits the "look" of a gentlemans knife, which immediately makes it a collectors item for many people.

CRK has won the Blade Magazine’s Manufacturing Quality Award more than any other manufacturer. That is the key.
 
If you like frame-locks and titanium folders, then it's probably the very best one being produced.

It just does'nt do much for me.
I prefer a lock-back or Axis-lock over any frame-lock or liner-lock.

Allen.
 
I reckon the best way to explain Sebbies is to use the watch analogy.

Spydies and the like are like G-Shocks. Solid, reliable, do what they are supposed to do and are not without their ugly duckling charm.

Sebbies are like Omega, Brietling and even Rolex. Just the best. Do you need them? No. Do you lust after them? Yes. Would you have one if you could afford it? Yes.

Is a knife a surrogate penis? You bet your life it is and I wouldn't have it any othjer way.
 
Also don't believe folks who claim the Sebenza is "the best knife in the world".

It's maybe the best non-custom-made, non-handmade, titanium, frame-lock in the world.
Which still makes it inferior to alot of knives IMHO.

Allen.
 
Don't think it has been said in this thread, but you can take it apart and put it back together very easy.
Also, you don't have to worry about pivot tension. You always screw it down as tight as you can, and still have smooth action with zero blade play.
Get one from the states. You should be able to get one including shipping for 250 EURO if you dare to take a little risk in shipping.
Have it put in a USPS Global Priority flat-rate envelope for $5 (4-5 days) and have the box shipped seperatly.

Ted
 
allenC said:
Also don't believe folks who claim the Sebenza is "the best knife in the world".

It's maybe the best non-custom-made, non-handmade, titanium, frame-lock in the world.
Which still makes it inferior to alot of knives IMHO.

Allen.

I agree. In fact: there simply is no knife that is the "best knife in the world". It simply does not, and never will, exist. I also feel that the "perfect" knife has never been made. That is why I collect knives. If I found what I consider to be the best, my knife collecting would come to an end (except for some old vintage styles).
 
here's my suggestion:

get a used one for under $270 for the large;
get a new one for $320 from newgraham.

you won't regret. if you don't like it, you can sell it at about a 10% discount. it's about the easiest knife to disassemble and clean, and has absolutely spot on lock-up, zero bladeplay and smoothness - not slippery smoothness, but glassy firm smoothness.

I would suggest you get a used large for under $250 on the aftermarket, then send it to Matt Cucchiara for some mods. I don't think you'll sell it away after that.
 
I like the Sebenza a lot. I prefer the wood inlay handle, but it adds a lot to the price.
It is a good design, and the fit and finish is excellent. I don't know how you can flick them or open them in your pocket, they are rather tight. You can also take them apart and clean them without voiding your warranty. The instructions are on the CRK website.
 
Loki, everything you mentioned that you need in a knife is found in the Sebenza. The only thing it can't overcome is being lost. That's something you have to provide. If you haven't lost your handcuffs or pistol yet, then the knife should be OK, then.
 
Buy quality, buy it once.

Buy crap, buy it ten times.

In the end, you'll end up with crap that costs as much as the quality thing originally did.

John...

p.s. I am in no way suggesting that some of the lesser priced knives out there are crap. Just trying to make a point that applies to many items in todays world.
 
My own requirements for a knife were somewhat narrow (military service -- although now retired) so here is the decision process I went through that eventually resulted in me buying a Sebenza.

I had carried a bunch of other "one hand opening" folders and always found something wanting in them. My Benchmade AFCK (original large version) came the closest to meeting most of my criteria, but the blade was a bit too shiney. I did carry it for a few years though. The clip screws would loosen over time so I had to remember to tighten them.

The BM Eclipse was not robust enough, and, although it passed the spine whack test, the zytel handle didn't seem strong enough (even though my M16A2 stock was made of the same!).

The Spyderco Military had a liner lock cut-out that exposed too much of the liner, possibly allowing me to inadvertantly release it, allowing the blade to close when I needed it to stay open.

A CRKT M16 (small) blade was too pointy and the clip was so tight, I couldn't extract the knife without adding undo wear to my BDU pockets.

I looked at others but the Sebenza filled the bill. It was just subdued enough to prevent shine -- I hate black coated blades, the coating always wears off anyway. It had a very strong lock that I could trust. I stopped carrying a knife clipped to my pocket since it was subject to be stripped out when moving through the terrain (bushes, vehicle hatches/seats, etc.) so I put it in a belt pouch to be secure. It had great steelm(BG42), staying sharp longer than any others I had carried. The only downside was the cost, but then I didn't look at it as "what will it cost to replace". I don't lose my gear, never lost my weapon, always had my kevlar, my boots were never misplaced, and I've never lost a knife in the field. A soldier can't afford to lose his tools so there are ways we use to prevent that -- we learn what they are and use them, or answer for letting the unit down when we can't accomplish the mission.

Are there other great knives out there? Sure -- but the Sebenza was available, not "one of a kind", and has a great support plan in place.

Oh yeah, I forgot, it can be dissassembled and cleaned by the owner/operator! Soldiers are used to that.

An easy choice.

Bruce
 
Even the Sebenza is good, very good, extremely good, the best. The hype is more widely stated than what people can understand. When you love something, you can not analyze your love with accuracy.

The second problem is the fashion too. When one person like Sebenza , then 2 then 3, they create a sort of tendency. Even you never see a Sebenza, you're attracted by the phenomenon.

All of these factor are independent of the intrinsec quality of an Sebenza. A good reputation can not longer exist if the product is not good enough. And probably the Sebenza is one of the best product ever made recently.

But there is the difference beetween a good product and a product which WORTH his price. Only the buyer can decide and answer this question. And as I noticed previously, the mind of the buyer is under influence of a lot of things

Tomorrow, an other brand will have the same destiny and the circle is repeated infinitely
 
The good news is that if you live in the US, a sebenza will be available for you to try free over on the passaround forum. I imagine we will ask that each person interested succesfully complete a "regular" passaround first, there may be some other requirements.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309627

I think that will go along way to adress this continued controversy. :p
 
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