What kind of blade + tool configuration would you like to see from GEC?

Why scissors? I can see wanting to replace the awl with a phillips head screwdriver or maybe a corkscrew, but scissors seem like an odd choice.

I camp and backpack a lot. For me, small scissors are indepensible for cutting bandages and moleskin for first aid and better than any knife for sewing for repair. Roughly speaking, scissors get used for a very similar purpose that leather punches were, only now straps are made from, nylon not leather.

The Wegner knives have a great design for a scissor and scissors have been on executive knives for a long time.
 
I camp and backpack a lot. For me, small scissors are indepensible for cutting bandages and moleskin for first aid and better than any knife for sewing for repair. Roughly speaking, scissors get used for a very similar purpose that leather punches were, only now straps are made from, nylon not leather.

The Wegner knives have a great design for a scissor and scissors have been on executive knives for a long time.

Pinnah, I used to scoff at scissors on a knife until I took up fly fishing. I quickly found that they are absolutely indispensable for trimming that wee bit of line off the fly, a job even the sharpest blade can't accomplish very well.
 
I camp and backpack a lot. For me, small scissors are indepensible for cutting bandages and moleskin for first aid and better than any knife for sewing for repair. Roughly speaking, scissors get used for a very similar purpose that leather punches were, only now straps are made from, nylon not leather.

The Wegner knives have a great design for a scissor and scissors have been on executive knives for a long time.

Makes perfect sense, and I never would have thought of that. I still like awls better, though.
 
A scout knife would be nice, offered with and without a bail

and while i'm at it.. get rid of the french kate leg pattern.... :rolleyes:

I second this. To think they used ivory on them just grinds my gears.who buys 'em?
A scout I'd buy.
Knife scissors! Useless.
Knife saws ! even more useless.
use a saw or a pair of scissors.
 
Scissors are not at all redundant. Cutting out a piece of paper or fabric neatly with a knife is all but impossible, yet it is an easy job for scissors. Trimming threads is not bad with knife blades, but everything else a scissors is used for IS bad.

How about a scout with:

- large blade
- bottle opener/ flat head screw driver
- Phillips
- scissors
- saw (anyone who has used the saw on a Victorinox SAK wouldn't say they are useless.

That's pretty much a Victorinox Fieldmaster, I guess...
 
A smaller electrician's pattern would be nice. If I want much more than that I'll carry a SAK. I was also hoping they would add an option to the Lumberjack so that everytime you open it, it plays, "I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay" kind of like those musical greeting cards.
 
Scissors are not at all redundant. Cutting out a piece of paper or fabric neatly with a knife is all but impossible, yet it is an easy job for scissors. Trimming threads is not bad with knife blades, but everything else a scissors is used for IS bad.

How about a scout with:

- large blade
- bottle opener/ flat head screw driver
- Phillips
- scissors
- saw (anyone who has used the saw on a Victorinox SAK wouldn't say they are useless.

That's pretty much a Victorinox Fieldmaster, I guess...

I just love US Scout/Camper knives. Love em.

This combination is something I think about often and I know my ruminations have taken me to a place that is odd. So it goes I guess. In any event, here's more on why I would like to see a 4 (or 3) blade Camper.

First, regarding scissors, I've owned and busted and destroyed more Victorinox Classics than I can count.
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It's a knife that I love to hate. I've never had one last more than 2 years before the scales fall off and blades go loose. They get handed out as corporate give-aways like after dinner mints in my industry and they've really turned me off of Victorinox products. But, I keep the busted and otherwise unusable Classics laying around the house and in my shop for one reason and one reason only - the scissors.

I'm a huge believer in using the right tool for the right job and hate using knife-based screwdrivers under any circumstance. But, small folding scissors such as found on the Vic Classic are actually better than normal scissor in so many cutting situations that it's just amazing. I found that once I got used to having them around, it's almost impossible to not have them handy. So, I keep the busted up and broken Classics hanging around just for that reason. Also keep a Leatherman Micra as a back up in my day pack for exactly the same reason. There are too many daily cutting tasks that I run into where a small stout pair of scissors are exactly the right tool for the job.

Now, getting back to the old US style camper, just to ensure my Camper creds, here's my old Ulster. I've had one of these since I was 8. Got my first stitches due to a knife almost exactly like this.


camper-leaves by Pinnah, on Flickr

Here are my thoughts on the blade configuration...

The carbon spear point is perfect in every way. I hugely prefer the 1095 to the Vic Inox and just as hugely prefer the asymmetrical profile of the US style spear point (often seen on Ulsters and old Camillus knives).

The bottle opener/screw driver - At the end of the day, I like the bottle opener. Seriously. At the end of the day, I hope to open a pint and I want to reach into my pocket for that bottle opener. Just perfect. As I noted, I hate, really, really hate screwdrivers on knives. Using them always leads to sadness. I strip screws, bark my knuckles and bust knives when I really use them. I'm ok with the traditional bottle opener/screwdriver blade though. The way I figure it, the lack of utility is sort of a self-governing thing. If I can't easily handle the screw (standard or phillips) easily with that blade, it's time to find a proper screwdriver. The one thing I would suggest for anybody making a Camper would be to return the bottle opener blade to same end as the spear point like on the older Ulsters.
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The can opener on my 70s vintage Ulsters sits awfully high in the closed position; enough so that it makes holding the knife awkward. Would much rather have the can opener on the other end to give more of a canoe sort of feel.

Speaking of the can opener, it can stay. Just for tradition's sake. And the odd time that I'm camping and need one. Or, it can go. Nothing wrong with a 3 camper.

Lastly, there is is the awl. I've no need for it. None. I don't repair leather straps in the field. I just don't. I actually have need to punch holes in leather when restoring old leather bike saddles. But then, I use a proper leather punch.

And this is the rub for me. I use scissors all the time and never use the awl. That's a swap that makes perfect sense to me.

Regarding folding saws, I carry a folding saw for backpacking in the winter and pack it with the gear for summer car camping. Super useful tools but, IME, they only become useful in the 5" - 7" range. I prefer to have that off on it's own and in a proper size. I'm still in ski touring mode and there's a 7" saw tucked in my day pack just in case.
 
I sorta wish the would come out with a baby sunfish pattern in different bone and stag, since the elephant toe is too big and the sleeve board is a little to small and I prefer equal ends.
 
As much as I would like a scout knife and think it would make a great tool, a pattern with a blade and a bottle opener would be even better. The 2011 forum knife would be just about perfect for me.
 
Scout pattern 3 5/8 in stainless!

My most useful pocket knife is a Vic Climber. A GEC Scout in 440C with some nice bone handles would be a constant companion and probably my favorite knife. :thumbup::thumbup:
 
I must be weird. I never use my bottle opener. But i have weird nightmares about being in an apocalyptic situation with cans of food and no can opener. Who knows, maybe too many loony tunes and tom and jerry cartoons growing up

silly i know, but i would MUCH rather have a can opener than a cap lifter (i would be willing to compromise with something like the wenger combi-tool which is supposed to do both)!
 
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