What knives would you include on an all-time landmark/watershed knife list?

strategy9 said:
The m3 trench knife was certainly iconic, but not really a "turning point" (or "watershed") moment in knives...
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And yet the M4 bayonet was?
If any of the M4 series qualifies as watershed or turning point, the M3 certainly should not be ignored.
 
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Great suggestions. I would have to add the original Gerber Paul knife as they were amongst the first to make a custom quality knife in a production setting. The same could be said for the Puma Aristocrat series in the late seventies.
 
spoonrobot said:
Post-Moderns:
Ganzo 720 - Chinese knock-off knives are now "good"

Just a list off the top of my head
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Thank you for simplifying the process of disregarding any knife-take you have in the future. Usually clone-lovers are a bit more...complicated. Bravo to you for keep it very, very simple.
 
Buck 110
Stockman
USMC KaBar
Bowie
The DH Russell Canadian Belt knife
CS Gurkha Kukri (they didn’t invent the Kukri by they brought it to another dimension)
 
Hackenslash said:
Thank you for simplifying the process of disregarding any knife-take you have in the future. Usually clone-lovers are a bit more...complicated. Bravo to you for keep it very, very simple.
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I do not love clones. Whether you like them or not, high quality Chinese knock-off knives were watershed moment for the industry. They have completely changed the landscape in major, and long lasting ways. Chinese companies are now directly importing S35VN and other high quality steels and producing titanium framelocks that rival domestic makers (who sell for $700+) in the $100-$300 price range and selling them well. To say nothing of their complete take-over and destruction of the lower price tiers, as well as counterfeits that are contaminating the entire purchasing chain.

craytab said:
And after reading that list I now realize that I don't have to take much else you say all that seriously.
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Post up your own list, I bet if you were honest it would have some Ganzos on it as well. You would definitely have a different perspective for them, having bought quite a few while I've never actually purchased one.

It's sad to see fanboyism hasn't died and is raging full steam ahead. Stay in my mentions boys, I love to see you.
 
spoonrobot said:
I do not love clones. Whether you like them or not, high quality Chinese knock-off knives were watershed moment for the industry. They have completely changed the landscape in many subtle ways. Chinese companies are now directly importing S35VN and other high quality steels and producing titanium knives in the $200-$300 price range and selling them well. I can't take anyone who has such a surface level understanding of the industry seriously.


Post up your own list, I bet if you were honest it would have some Ganzos on it as well. You would definitely have a different perspective for them, having bought quite a few while I've never actually purchased one.

It's sad to see fanboyism hasn't died and is raging full steam ahead. Stay in my mentions boys, I love to see you.
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Hey maybe you didn't understand the question. Maybe I can simplify it for you.

The question is about landmark "knives" so by default those knives are only a mark the first time they're made. Not when they IP is stolen and reproduced. I'm glad we could clear that up

What you want to do is star a new thread called something like "Scummy get rich quick schemes ask me how" You'll get about 2 other posters from this thread gloming onto you and you can have some kind of circular party. I'm glad I was able to clear that up too.

If that's still too hard to understand keep posting how much you like stolen IP and how groundbreaking white collar crime is.
 
spoonrobot said:
I do not love clones. Whether you like them or not, high quality Chinese knock-off knives were watershed moment for the industry. They have completely changed the landscape in many subtle ways. Chinese companies are now directly importing S35VN and other high quality steels and producing titanium knives in the $200-$300 price range and selling them well. I can't take anyone who has such a surface level understanding of the industry seriously.
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I haven't seen any ganzos selling for anywhere near that much, and there's definitely not any with S35VN or titanium out there, no matter what they print on the blade or box.

It seems like you're confusing reputable Chinese companies such as Kizer, WE/Civivi, and Reate with scumbag cloners like ganzo. Those companies I mention actually add to and participate in the community, rather than just steal from the community like ganzo and others do.
 
I must not be explaining myself correctly. For many users Chinese knives had always been garbage, then around 2014 Ganzo hit the market in a big way. Suddenly a lot of users were seeing Chinese knives that were pretty good so they start looking around on Aliexpress or DHgate or whatever. They see a lot of clones for shockingly low prices that may be questionable steel (but still probably ok as Ganzo demonstrated) but are real titanium and real ceramic bearings. Then they see "real" Chinese brands that are probably using real D2/S30V/S35VN/3V and Ti but are priced quite a bit below the same feature set a non-Chinese knife. These users often completely leave the domestic market and buy exclusively from Chinese sites and Chinese brands. I meet them, I talk to them, and I sharpen their knives. There are a ton of them out there now and the market that serves such users is only expanding.

It's a massive loss to the knife community and a drain on the industry. More sales means more Chinese capital development and more of a squeeze on non-Chinese manufacturers, designers and custom makers. I picked one Ganzo that I felt was emblematic of the landmark "past this point China starts having a tangible adverse effect on the knife industry," you can hate on my choice, but I'm not wrong.

Danke42 said:
Hey maybe you didn't understand the question. Maybe I can simplify it for you.

The question is about landmark "knives" so by default those knives are only a mark the first time they're made. Not when they IP is stolen and reproduced. I'm glad we could clear that up

What you want to do is star a new thread called something like "Scummy get rich quick schemes ask me how" You'll get about 2 other posters from this thread gloming onto you and you can have some kind of circular party. I'm glad I was able to clear that up too.

If that's still too hard to understand keep posting how much you like stolen IP and how groundbreaking white collar crime is.
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Honestly, thanks for replying but I'm going to have to say - Huh? Did you even read my post?
 
Eli Chaps said:
Guess not huh?
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I saw that little red bubble with such a big number I couldn't resist :D

I'm also curious to see if anyone can post a list more comprehensive and well thought out than my own. No one's come close, yet. I know there's a least a few old heads that could do it but I doubt they'll take the bait.

GIRLYmann said:
the first of production assisted opening dinos gotta be watersherd for their technical
innovation and introduction in to the mass
market, perhaps?...
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Man, I miss Blackie Collins. He's probably way underrepresented in the industry as he did a lot of firsts that didn't prove very popular until a different maker made them. I had a lot of his knives growing up and they had a unique style that just isn't around much anymore.
 
Danke42 said:
...The question is about landmark "knives" so by default those knives are only a mark the first time they're made. Not when they IP is stolen and reproduced...
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I have to agree with this.

However, if the OP had ask about iconic timelines in the knife industry, then Ganzo producing clones would be relevant.

Has Ganzo ever designed a knife on their own and put the knife industry on its ear?

I think not.
 
spoonrobot said:
To say nothing of their complete take-over and destruction of the lower price tiers, as well as counterfeits that are contaminating the entire purchasing chain.
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Hey, at least you are consistent, at getting things wrong. Not a lot of ganzos being sold in nearly every big box store across the US. Plenty of Kershaw, Buck, Gerber, SOG, and CRKT though...

Chinese knives in the US market did not start with Ganzo, they were here under reputable brands far longer and they are still way more available than from your trash cloner sites.

Seems you missed the point of this thread. Rather, you are using it as an opportunity to trash what you don't like and throw out ridiculous opinions. Have fun with that! I'm out.
 
spoonrobot said:
I saw that little red bubble with such a big number I couldn't resist :D

I'm also curious to see if anyone can post a list more comprehensive and well thought out than my own. No one's come close, yet. I know there's a least a few old heads that could do it but I doubt they'll take the bait.

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Oh well, gee, I guess I failed to realize the brilliance of your list. :rolleyes:

Again, the idea was your opinions of knives that made a difference. People posted those. Everyone was doing good with that.
 
Rather fond of my Cold Steel Recon 1 as an all-around work knife, although a solid argument can be made for the beautiful simplicity of the American Lawman too. Lots of CS guys EDC the Lawman.
 
Watershed/game changer/whatever you want to call it....

Not one specific knife, but, the whole host of "Italian" switchblades - regardless of the place of origin. The ones pictured in such Hollywood hype as Rebel W/out a Cause, The Blackboard Jungle, etc.
Those movies did for the knife world, what Reefer Madness did for the hemp world.

W/out the hype generated by them, we could almost all enjoy using a solid one hand operating knife.
 
The Rambo knife that started it all in 1982: the First Blood by BLADE Magazine Cutlery Hall-Of-Fame© member Jimmy Lile. This is serial no. 8 of the original 13 First Blood knives Lile made, with sheath.
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farmer ted said:
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Yeah, that certainly started a trend.

When I was in uniform, that was the big thing with some of the combat engineers. Big knives that weighed a ton. All because of some movie. I never really understood why the appeal but even I considered a big useless knife with a hollow handle. More than once. Think goodness I came to my senses.
 
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