What lock would you like to see in the next Sage?

What lock do you want to see on the next Sage?

  • Back lock

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  • Compression lock

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  • Ball bearing / caged ball bearing

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  • Axis lock

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  • Triad lock

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  • Dozier Tab lock

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  • Other (explain)

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EZ Bake

EZ Bake

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I know the next Sage will sport the mid-lock and will honor Al Mar, but what would you like to see as the next Sage lock if you were in charge (I'll include the back lock just because I'm curious as to how many back-lock fans we have)?

This is my first attempt at a poll, so its probably going to be a fail. I don't know everything there is to know about locking folders, so I've most likely missed one.
 
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Well, I think the "Back Lock" option is irrelevant because the Sage 4 will have one.

Of the rest listed, I'd go with the compression lock. Simple, strong and fun to manipulate. *that's what she said* (couldn't help it :D)
 
Don't get me wrong - I know the Sage 4 is going to be the mid/back lock, but I really meant to word the question as:

If you were in Sal's shoes, what would you be putting out as the Sage 4 locking mechanism.

The compression lock would be awesome.


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I guess I'm stumped as to why all the Al Mar love on the Sage 4 (there seem to be quite a few fans) with the Native 5 and Chaparral both coming out with mid/back locks right around the same time (or withing a year from what I gather). I get the Bolster and what not (and if it has some sort of pretty wood, I'll definitely have to get it), but still - variety is the spice of life right?
 
Triad lock is basically a modified back lock.
I'd like to see Bram Frank's Puzzle Lock
 
Dozier tab lock. Comp lock is Sal's, and he seems too modest to make a knife paying tribute to himself. Axis and Triad seem more like brands than locks, plus the Sage would have to be really changed to fit an Axis. The tab lock is rare, and would lend itself to the Sage's design.
 
Isn't a back lock Sage pretty much a Native? As much as I luv me my Spydies, I don't need another back lock.

How about a lev-r-lock?
 
Compression lock FTW! I love all of my paras and would love to tuck a nice clean lined Sage with a Black G-10 and a Compression lock into my jean pocket.
 
Was somewhat disappointed that the Sage 3 wasn't the Mar/McBurnette lock version, so I'd really prefer Spyderco to keep the Sage 4 as planned - Mar/McBurnette lock, long front bolster, wood scales.
 
Joshua J. said:
It'll be another 8 years before we can get the Axis lock in a Spyderco.
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Even if ever licensed, I can't see it fitting. The Sage 3 bolt action lock is the closest I've seen, and that's way thinner than any Axis knife. They still had to add a fair bit to the handle to make that fit.

I generally dislike back locks (just preference) but a Sage with bolsters and cocobolo looks like enough to change my mind. Here's to the Sage 4 :thumbup:
 
The Deacon said:
Was somewhat disappointed that the Sage 3 wasn't the Mar/McBurnette lock version, so I'd really prefer Spyderco to keep the Sage 4 as planned - Mar/McBurnette lock, long front bolster, wood scales.
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+1, except my ideal version would have Micarta scales, preferably in a nice brown color. White also would be good. I'm really excited about the prospect of a bolstered Sage with a backlock.
 
A lever lock, or paul lock. Maybe even that back springed lock that Lion Steel uses on some of theirs.
 
I remember reading a while back that the Sage as it is won't fit a ball lock, caged or not. Also both the Tri-ad and Axis locks are proprietary and I don't think Spyderco could or would try to get a license for them.
 
Locust said:
I remember reading a while back that the Sage as it is won't fit a ball lock, caged or not. Also both the Tri-ad and Axis locks are proprietary and I don't think Spyderco could or would try to get a license for them.
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IIRC, what Sal said was that the ball lock was the lock Spyderco has used which he wasn't sure would fit in the Sage platform. I may have missed something, but I don't recall ever seeing anything were he totally ruled it out.
 
I understand peoples position on the locks they like and want to see from the other knife companies, and where the locks come from [in regards to the poll]. But looking at it broadly, I would lump a few of them together, to say that some of them are more or less/somewhat/mildly/broadly related to each other. [Sorry couldn't think of one word LOL].

[And it isn't a secret as to the sage 4, as many have mentioned already, and The man himself as well - Quote from Sal from one of the threads
"The next model is going to be a front-lock-back (The Al Mar, Harvey McBurnette lock is a little different than the mid-lock-back). We still plan to use Al Mar's long bolster version. We'd like to use a walnut scale, but we're still deciding on the scale material due to possible shrinkage. "]

For example: Anyway, for example, I know a lot of people will disagree and nitpick, but I would lump the back-lock, the sage 4 lock, and triad lock together. [I know the schematics/mechanics etc aren't exactly the same, but fundamentally its still a lock you depress on the spine of the knife in order to lift the metal [lock bar] in order to free the knife to disengage]

This may be a bit more different, and how it looks/acts, feels etc. I would lump the axis lock with the sage 3 [and the cage ball lock/ the lock used on the spyderco Viele and poliwog]. I know there is some drastic dissimilarities among them. But they still have a common... foundation? [lack of a better word], or action etc. I hope you kind of understand where I am coming from for this.

The bob dozier tab lock, is definitely an interesting design. It is like a hybrid RIL frame lock and Frame comp lock [in very, basic, generic terms]

The problem with the special locks that spyderco makes is 1. Sal is such a humble/modest - as another poster indicated - to make a sage series - which is unfortunate because I would love a compression lock sage! [As many others I am sure]

One possibility could be the phantom lock. Or the scale release lock, where you can open the knife by using your fingers to counter move the scales [ if vertically held, using your fingers to move the front scale to the left, back scale to the right - basically a scissor opening movement]. I forget who came up with this, but Rob Dalton comes to mind.

Another that doesn't kind of fit would be Kershaw's Hawk lock [See the ram - saw a vid of it in action with the scale off, which made me think it didn't quite fit in the current line up]

so far:
Sage1 - Michael Walker Liner lock
-possible spins -
- I forget the maker and knife, but they used the liner lock on the opposite side
-Kershaw inset liner lock? [eg Echelon]
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Sage 2 - RIL frame-lock
-possible spins
-kershaw Sub-Frame Lock [eg kershaw knockout - where the frame is different from the actual lockbar]


Sage 3- Blackie Collins bolt action lock
-possible spins -
- Spyderco caged ball lock
-[I think its spyderco's not sure] Ball bearing lock
- BM - Axis lock
- Sog Arc Lock

Sage 4 -[I know not out yet, but enough info for speculation] - Al Mar, Harvey McBurnette lock - front-lock-back
-Possible spins -
- Other knives with different lock position placement. Eg in the middle [ex endura], towards the back, like older school back locks with wood handles and bolsters - Ex - Buck knives
- Triad lock


Oh right another interesting lock is these series of locks:

By Kershaw, the stud lock - See Spec Bump - Where the lock is in the blade and it rolls over onto the handle, and another in a similar but VERY loosely related, would be the CRK TI-Lock. I am sure there are many other similar to this I just can't think of them atm

I am a bit tired atm, so when I remember more Ill add some lol
 
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I understand that the Sages are designed to be homages to various locks but I really hope they don't use wood scales. I probably in the minority, I really dislike wood scales. Maybe we'll get micarta scales instead.
 
Gadgetman7 said:
I understand that the Sages are designed to be homages to various locks but I really hope they don't use wood scales. I probably in the minority, I really dislike wood scales. Maybe we'll get micarta scales instead.
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Well what I hope they do, unless its contraindicated in regards to the makers true nature of knife making. [For example using carbon fiber handle scales, when the make only used titanium]
However I do like how the series is currently moving; meaning, each version has a different lock and handle material. 1=cf, 2=ti, 3=g10, 4= supposed wood+bolster, and I hope it continues to have different ones.
For ex. [I am just listing some and filling in the possible future versions. I don't think they would use a different handle material for each one, although I think that would be awesome if they can work around it, and achieve that. A new handle material + lock feature for each version? Talk about a simply awesome way to enjoy and experience knives!!! ]
- 5= micarta smooth or linen, or perhaps using micarta for two versions, one being the smooth vers. used on the early Ed Schempp Persian and Kris, and another version using the awesome linen micarta, often found on fixed blades [eg Esee, Dpx, Top Knives, Ontario, etc etc].
- 6 =FRN perhaps? It is a staple in two of the many "flagship" models of spyderco [delica+endura in particular - although the molds for FRN are expensive]
- 7 = Stainless steel/ or aluminum? [Although Spyderco doesn't really use aluminum]
- 8 = Bone [stag, jigged, squash, giraffe, whale XXXXX bone] / Buffalo, ram etc Horn
- 9 = Wood - I know Sage 4 will probably include wood. [Not sure on the walnut as Sal stated, there was some issues] But there is plenty of exotic woods out there, for examples look at CRK wood inlays.
Other materials not included :
- The "cheaper" types: zytel, grivory, kydex
- The "expensive" types: Pearl/gold pearl/mother of pearl/black pearl, abalone, Apple coral, Tiger coral, mammoth ivory, Evrina/+Casein [I believe both "fake" ivory], turquoise and other gem types
 
I realy want to see a compression lock I don't realy know why but I'd realy like to see this lock on more models than just the Para-Military.
 
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