What makes a knife a "Tactical"

Get real Ken.
When you KNOW that a marketing ploy is bad for the future of knife rights and you use it
because it puts money in your pocket TODAY without regards to the damage it will do in the future it's short sighted GREED plain ans simple. Reminds me of the person that wants to cut all the trees or the fishermen that want do drag the ocean till there is nothing left with the same lame excuse "we're only trying to make a living"

[This message has been edited by TomW (edited 25 October 1999).]
 
Some where, some way. some how the knife industry had better wake up and see the hole
they're digging for themselves. Combat Knives, Fighting Knives, Tactical knives,
ASSAULT RIFLES. IS everybody freaking blind.
 
Att. Ken and other knifemakers. My comments aren't intended to be offensive to people making knives. It's just that after 30 years if fighting for gun rights and seeing them slowly chipped away at and now seeing the same thing ahead for knives I'm getting a bit riled. So even though I might be offending a few I hope that I might wake others. Try to look at the point I'm trying to make in regards to the future of knife collecting and knife making. I hope it will look at the the big picture and even though my words might harsh they are there only for the purpose of awareness.
 
Tom,

What markating ploy? What are you talking about? I merely asked a question ,What makes a knife a Tactical? I'm looking for a new category to better define the new class of knives emerging . I don't especially care for a threatening name or title either. Most of my knives are named after weather conditions Whirlwind , Blizzard , blackout , Tsunami, Slip stream, storm, etc... to avoid sounding like a blood letter.
So what are you so pissed about? I don't concider what I make Tactical. I'm not trying to find a new category and use it as a marketing ploy. I'm not against Tacticals either they have there place. I'm saying that not everything that has carbon fiber is tactical. Also the term tactical does not imply that it is intended for self defence.

I think I know why your upset. Your affraid that by marketing a knife as a tactical we are leaving ourselves open for legislative action and potentially new restrictions on our rights . Am I right ?
Well I live in America where we are free. I'm not going to crawl into a hole affraid of Uncle Sam. The freedoms you and I enjoy are off of the backs of those that were willing to fight for these freedoms not cower because of potential legislative action.Maybe we need another Boston tea party. Run scared if you like I'll stand and fight.
I still don't know where you get this greed thing either. Do you work for free? How much is fair ? are you suggesting that there should be a law passed that you are only allowed to make X amount of money a year ? How much is fair in your opinion? Kinda sounds like socialism to me.

Lets do a breakdown Joe builds a knife. It costs him 40.00 in materials to make it takes him a week to build he sells it for 600.00 sounds like alot what are his true expenses he needs a shop, sander ,belts, bandsaw , drillpress, sand blast cabnet, sand paper, that all costs money .
If he is self employed he has to pay his own social security,state ,federal, sales, taxes He has to open his own IRA He spends money on marketing The dealer he sells it to wants a discount. How much does this greedy bastard really make? Not much I assure you , I didn't even mention Medical for his family. See you don't know half as much as you thought you knew.I'm one of the lucky ones. So the next time you wanna pass judgment find someone other than a knifemaker .
I don't know what you thought you knew There is no get rich scheme in knifemaking he /she does it because they love the craft thats the reward.

Ken Onion
Greedy Bastard
 
The ploy is marketing knives as weapons. Other than militaty purposes knives aren't weapons
and not even then except under special circumstances. If you can't see what the media did to guns by using the terminmolgy used for marketing by those making them and selling them and see the same thing about to happen to knives it's a sad thing. So ride the tactical knife bandwagon while you can Ken because legislation outlawing a wide variety of knives lumped under one INDUSTRY created term lies just ahead.
I hope I'm over reacting. Doubt it though.
History repeats itself.
 
Tom,

You keep implying that I am "Riding the Tactical knife wagon"
What in my current product line is Tactical? You keep assuming to much. If you would read my initial post you would know that I am trying to name a new category of knives and find out exactly what a tactical knife category encompasses. I DON'T concider my knives to be tactical , I DON'T market them as such. You sir are a perfect example as to why we need this new category . AS your the one that keeps implying that my knives are tactical. and your definition of tactical is self defence oriented NOT MINE

WHATS SO OFFENSIVE ABOUT SELF DEFENCE?????

So all this said, In your perfect world what do you suggest happen in the knife industry? What would make you happy?

Ken
 
ken you keep assuming my posts are directed at you when they're directed at the industry.my post about greedy knifemakers had nothing to do with you it was directed at the narrow minded greedy knifemakers. You put your name there not me. i'm on a soapbox warning about dangerous marketing tactics in the business and how they are going to hurt all of us in the future and you become defensive. We certainly do need a new name for the knives and we had better lose the old ones before the media learns them and applies them to every knife crime commited. And defensive terms are as bad as offensive ones to those that would like to disarm us.Stop defending your knives there is nothing to defend as you have already said and look at the big picture. I don't feel a new classification will change much though. They're going to go where the money and hype is and unfortunatly it's knives that present a negative image.
 
This whole terminology thing just further illustrates the advantages of not having fancy terms for knives.

After all, it'd be mighty hard for anyone to get worked up over a scathing speach against "camp knives" and "pocket knives".

"There is over 260 million camp knives in the United States, that's one for every man, woman and child in our great nation"

"When our founding fathers drafted the second amendment they had no idea that there would ever be knives small enough to fit in your pocket"

Too mundane. Kinda like kitchen knife. And kitchen knives kill more people than another other kind, at least around here.

Oh, and I'd be careful about naming your knives after weather conditions too, many people get killed or lose their jobs to severe storms or natural disasters...
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Anyway, if you want to make a new kind of knife that is pretty as well as being a superior tool, why would you need branding at all? Many of the coolest things are known simply by their model number;

110
1911
GTO
NC-1701


Even the most loathsome and objectional Satan-lord of evil, master of temptation and stealer of souls-has attained a high level of brand recognition under the simple monicker of 666.

Any truly superior product should sell itself anyway.
 
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