What makes a knife "high quality"?

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I have my own ideas... but I know many of us(you) will have different perspectives.

For the sake of argument we are talking custom knives only.

Is it a specific method the maker uses? Materials?

Forged vs stock removal?

Fit and finish?

A "rockstar" knife maker? Can this rockstar only produce high quality knives?

Investment potential?

Maybe the price the maker sells the knife for....?

Is it the overall feel of the knife? Maybe it has a certain vibe?

etc. etc.




Simply, what makes a knife high quality?
 
Is it a specific method the maker uses? Materials?

Method? No - assuming sound construction methods, it's the execution that contributes to quality. Materials? Yes - to a degree.

Forged vs stock removal?

No.

Fit and finish?

Yes.

A "rockstar" knife maker?

No.

Investment potential?

No - that's a separate issue.

Maybe the price the maker sells the knife for....?

No.

Is it the overall feel of the knife? Maybe it has a certain vibe?

Feel? Yes. Vibe? Not sure what that means, but I'm inclined towards no.

Factors which contribute to making a knife "high quality" include, but are not limited to the following:

* Sound construction techniques and methodology.
* Sound heat treatment.
* Blade geometry and edge geometry.
* Clean grinds.
* Clean fit and finish.
* Aesthetically pleasing lines and proportions.
* Good balance.
* Sound, functional design - design elements should enhance rather than inhibit the use of the knife as it was designed to be used. These will differ for hunters, daggers, fighters, choppers, etc.
* Sound ergonomics.
* Materials appropriate to the design and intended use.

I'm sure I'll think of a few more, but it's like, REALLY early and I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet.

Roger
 
Fit and finish and the design. I'm a hobbyist and can make a nice little knife but you look at some of these high end knifes and its just something on a whole nother level.

Just cause you can hit a homerun doesn't mean you can play in the major league if you know what I mean.
 
Method? No - assuming sound construction methods, it's the execution that contributes to quality. Materials? Yes - to a degree.



No.



Yes.



No.



No - that's a separate issue.



No.



Feel? Yes. Vibe? Not sure what that means, but I'm inclined towards no.

Factors which contribute to making a knife "high quality" include, but are not limited to the following:

* Sound construction techniques and methodology.
* Sound heat treatment.
* Blade geometry and edge geometry.
* Clean grinds.
* Clean fit and finish.
* Aesthetically pleasing lines and proportions.
* Good balance.
* Sound, functional design - design elements should enhance rather than inhibit the use of the knife as it was designed to be used. These will differ for hunters, daggers, fighters, choppers, etc.
* Sound ergonomics.
* Materials appropriate to the design and intended use.

I'm sure I'll think of a few more, but it's like, REALLY early and I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet.

Roger

Hey, looks to me like ya got all bases covered.

Bob
 
sometimes people assume that a knife is high quality if it has a high price tag.

I think that can sometimes be a little misleading. Sometimes you can compare a knife made by a 'rock star' to one made by a 'sleeper' and find no difference in quality, (materials, fit and finish, after sales service, etc), yet the price is vastly different, so that guideline is a little screwy and bleeds into the 'investment' consideration.

For example, I've seen Loveless knives for sale in the $20K range, and to my eye, the quality of some of these knives is inferior to similar designs made by others who sell their stuff for $18K less. In that case, quality isn't the driving force behind the valuation of the knife- collectibility is.

Another example; it's hard for me to imagine a better quality folder than one made by John W. Smith, (I own two knives made by him) yet his utility oriented knives go for half the price, (from purveyors) of those made by several 'hot' makers- all things being equal with regards to materials. There are lots of guys out there with a loyal following, who produce enough knives to fill the demand, that aren't as well known, either because they didn't gain fame by breaking new ground or because they might not market themselves as diligently as those 'hot' dudes, who make exceptionally high quality knives. Like John.

I'm a kind of guy who likes a good value, and that means really high quality, but at a price that reflects the value of the materials made to use the thing, plus a percentage more to cover their labor. I don't care to buy a thing because it is 'in demand', but that only reflects my preference.

There is lots of turnover that happens with 'hot' maker's work, and that brings opportunities to make a little money. But that's not my scene- I like to buy a knife and always with the state of mind that if I'm making the initial investment, I'm going to keep it forever. I like to think that the knife will hold most of its value but the real likelihood is that I'll never know.

It's really good to get a sense of the value of materials and for that, going to knife maker's supply websites is a good place to get the information required to determine what it costs to build the knife. Alpha Knife Supply is one of my favourites to both buy materials, and research the value of them.

Now, keep in mind, I am no expert and I'm still quite new to this scene, so take my words as simply my opinion about what I see going down, not as the ultimate 'truth' on the subject. If there is such a thing.

Now, my question is, what motivated you to ask this question? I'm just curious- have you got a specific scenario motivating you, or what?
 
That's a great point, but what if it has a price tag of $50.00?

Do you still feel the same way?

Then I feel like I just found a heck of a bargain. I haven't come across too many $50 custom knives that check all the boxes of my original post, though.

Roger
 
sometimes people assume that a knife is high quality if it has a high price tag.

I think that can sometimes be a little misleading. Sometimes you can compare a knife made by a 'rock star' to one made by a 'sleeper' and find no difference in quality, (materials, fit and finish, after sales service, etc), yet the price is vastly different, so that guideline is a little screwy and bleeds into the 'investment' consideration.

For example, I've seen Loveless knives for sale in the $20K range, and to my eye, the quality of some of these knives is inferior to similar designs made by others who sell their stuff for $18K less. In that case, quality isn't the driving force behind the valuation of the knife- collectibility is.

Another example; it's hard for me to imagine a better quality folder than one made by John W. Smith, (I own two knives made by him) yet his utility oriented knives go for half the price, (from purveyors) of those made by several 'hot' makers- all things being equal with regards to materials. There are lots of guys out there with a loyal following, who produce enough knives to fill the demand, that aren't as well known, either because they didn't gain fame by breaking new ground or because they might not market themselves as diligently as those 'hot' dudes, who make exceptionally high quality knives. Like John.

I'm a kind of guy who likes a good value, and that means really high quality, but at a price that reflects the value of the materials made to use the thing, plus a percentage more to cover their labor. I don't care to buy a thing because it is 'in demand', but that only reflects my preference.

There is lots of turnover that happens with 'hot' maker's work, and that brings opportunities to make a little money. But that's not my scene- I like to buy a knife and always with the state of mind that if I'm making the initial investment, I'm going to keep it forever. I like to think that the knife will hold most of its value but the real likelihood is that I'll never know.

It's really good to get a sense of the value of materials and for that, going to knife maker's supply websites is a good place to get the information required to determine what it costs to build the knife. Alpha Knife Supply is one of my favourites to both buy materials, and research the value of them.

Now, keep in mind, I am no expert and I'm still quite new to this scene, so take my words as simply my opinion about what I see going down, not as the ultimate 'truth' on the subject. If there is such a thing.

Now, my question is, what motivated you to ask this question? I'm just curious- have you got a specific scenario motivating you, or what?




I know from reading through different forums......quite a few people see a high price tag and automatically think ...high quality knife.

I just thought it would make an interesting discussion.
 
High quality is not specific to any type, purpose, price range or degree of sophistication of custom knives.
High quality can and does come in ALL flavors.
 
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High quality infers a degree of excellence in build or performance. Possibly both.

Great materials are a smart foundation, but not imperative. Craftsmanship is.

You made me think. Damn you. :)

Coop
 
Then I feel like I just found a heck of a bargain. I haven't come across too many $50 custom knives that check all the boxes of my original post, though.

Roger


How many $50 custom knives do you own?

You did say you haven't come across 'too many that check all the boxes'....so I would think you own at least a couple.
 
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