What materials do collectors prefer?

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It's hard to know which are more in demand. Some are even scorn upon it seems. With your input, maybe we could try and make a list from most to less desired for:

1) Blade
2) Handle
3) Fittings

Good idea?
 
From what I have seen...

1) Damascus, usually a mosaic or twist/feather pattern

2) Ivory - mammoth, elephant, walrus, either super clean and even in color or highly figured

3) W.I. often times, but damascus quite a bit also. Usually less important that 1 & 2 but must be done tastefully.

Just my observations from spending time on the custom forum drooling over the rich guys' collections.


-Xander
 
Fixed blades?

My preferences.

Steel
W2 with a hamon. Feather pattern Damascus. San Mai(mostly Carbon steel, not so much SS San Mai).

Handle material.
Natural material first and foremost.
Ironwood, Redwood burl, mammoth ivory, fossil walrus tusk.

Fittings,
Wrought iron. Nickel silver. Stainless.

To add, what I don't like. Brass fittings, plastic handle material(Micarta etc) Cordwrap handles.
 
I'm told that collectors don't care much for nickel-silver, because it does tarnish. Personally, I love the patina N/S develops, but I don't buy many knives, so my opinion doesn't count for much ;)
 
I have seen a great deal of incredible fossil, stag, and exotic wood pieces, but--and asking the premier makers here in the due sincere efforts of Patrice's study--where do gemstone handles fit into this equation?
I ask pointedly as some makers, specifically Jay Fisher, seem to lean in this direction, Dinosaur and Mammoth cabochons aside, lapidary work seems a very unique niche.

Also for the sake of Patrice's research, could we also consider pattern an aspect of a collector's choice (i.e. Scagel, Loveless, Goddard, etc.)? Or is that too niche specific, and we should instead consider genre (e.g. Bowie, Japanese cutlery, etc.)?
I ask because in discussing knives with several local collectors, I found them adamant that a design focus upon a particular maker and to very exacting production methods (for example, grind both in height and wheel diameter while emulating a specific school or maker's pattern).
 
Blade trends I see in carbon steels- 52100, W2, even L6 are popular right now. Hamons.
With stainless, of course S30V is big, and S35VN. AEBL is getting more popular, and CPM154 has a well deserved reputation as the best all around stainless alloy.

Handles- with higher end stuff, the trend is definitely toward highly figured woods, stabilized burl, and other natural materials such as mammoth, with bark and colored ivory being more popular than plainer ivory. Look at DHIII's ivory handles for example. And, stag it seems will always be around as a classic sensibility. Popcorn amber stag seems to grace the most high end bowies, etc.

Fittings- I think stainless right now is the norm in both high and low end knives, brass is not well thought of for the most part, nickel silver is still being used but not as much as SS. (I use it and like it, but it does scratch easily.) Of course dammy fittings and engraved SS will be seen on many higher end pieces. For a certain flair if it fits the overall knife, bronze and wrought iron are often well received.

Don't forget about the really zany stuff like brain coral, mammoth tooth, timascus, san mai SS. There is a prestige in both being able to afford and work with some of these materials.
 
The short answer is materials that cost more for you to buy than you can get for them when you sell the knife.:D
 
Hey Patty! You always get me thinking.

I am so sorry Phil, I do hate when that happens to me. Good thing it's not too often. ;)
Kidding aside, thanks for all the links. I have some reading to do.
Thanks also to all for your input. I'll see if I can't make a small resume of all this.
 
IMHO- Materials aren't really worth getting hung up on. By that I mean design and quality of construction are far more important.

There are only a handful of materials that commonly come up on a "never use that list" such as brass and Giraffe bone... And even then, you will find collectors that either don't mind those things, or maybe even love them.

In my experience, a collector will always be turned on by a knife because of design and quality... materials just sway them from liking to loving it.

Example- take somebody like Jason Knight. He can make a knife with sleek lines and a brawny build... and make it out of machine finished carbon steel with a Micarta handle and a TON of people will love it.

Take a guy who hacks together a knife with damascus and walrus ivory, but the knife has odd lines, poor flow and mediocre construction, and 4 people will like it.


Another thought here--- One collector friend of mine loves Walnut, another prefers Koa, and another prefers Ivory. That's just 3, high end collectors, all with different "favorites" even though all 3 have similar tastes and collect from (for the most part) the same knife makers. They each have preferred materials that will really turn his crank, but the thing that all 3 ALWAYS seek is design and quality.

Just something to think about... :)
 
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The short answer is materials that cost more for you to buy than you can get for them when you sell the knife.:D

At a show last year, a fellow was hanging around at my table talking about his really great knife collection ( buy not buying), and someone was looking at a really nice fossil walrus handled hunter. The collector said, "That walrus is premium stuff. It adds $100 to the cost of the knife." I smiled, and said, "Yes it does, especially since it cost me about twice that for the raw tusk piece."
 
I don't understand the aversion to brass, bronze is OK?
Brass tarnishes, I've heard that as a negative, I see that as a plus, don't fight it, incorporate it into the design. You can also patina it to your liking.
Any thoughts.
 
Thanks Nick, maybe "Materials less preferred" would be a better description. Some collectors that are interested in the secondary market might be weary of materials that would make it harder to re-sell. And also, we don't all have the "pull" you have with collectors to make them overlook material choice. :p;)

Mark, it's the stigma attached to it I think. Take Giraffe bone, nothing wrong with the material itself. But just found out that in the past it was very abundant and cheap and used a lot for low quality knives. Reputation stuck. Maybe somebody with more knowledge can explain it better. Just started to do some research about collectors myself. It is much more complicated than I thought. :(
 
I may be going off in a slightly different direction than you intended because I think you wanted to know what materials to use on a knife that will eventually go to a collector. My comments relate more to collectors who are placing an order with you for a knife.

Through the past year a trend has started that is increasing monthly.
Several of the knife makers who are regular customers have been having their customers pick out & purchase their handle material from my web store instead of settling on one of the pieces that the maker has available.

About 50% of the handle material for kitchen knives is purchased by the customer and sent directly to the maker.
For regular fixed blade knives it is about 15 to 20%.

The materials being purchased by the knife customer (not the maker) are listed in order of popularity.
#1 High Grade Stabilized Koa $50 to $100+
#2 Ironwood Burl and Stabilized Amboyna Burl $50 to $100+
#3 Stabilized Redwood Burl and Flamed Redwood $40 to $50
#4 Stabilized Maple Burl and Walnut Burl or Highly figured Walnut. $40 to $50

I would imagine that letting the customer provide their own materials could be a double edged sword.
On one side the maker saves time communicating with the customer about what to use as well as not having to tie up their own money.
On the other side the customer might select junky or unsuitable material just because they don't know any better.

If the knife maker was not making their own damascus, but purchasing the steel from someone like Devin Thomas, Delbert Ealy or ???
I would think the same thing could be done.

Just my 2 cents worth, but it doesn't take long to tie up thousands of dollars in materials that the end buyers may or may not like.
 
I'm not a knife collector, so my opinion is worthless...

In the business I do during the day we call this analyzing your vertical and horizontal markets. Vertical markets are categories of customers. Horizontal markets are categories of products. Verticals might be outdoor sports, industrial, combat, entertainment, health care, restaurant, consumer, etc. Horizontal would include fixed blade, folder, multi-blade, throwing, art knives, etc. If you made a matrix with the verticals on top and the horizontals on the side, you could fill each box with a different set of materials that best met the needs of the target market. I doub't you're going to find many kitchen uses for a throwing knife, but where you DO have an overlap of the vertical and horizontal, you should be able to determine what the collectors in that space prefer.

- Greg
 
Through the past year a trend has started that is increasing monthly.
Several of the knife makers who are regular customers have been having their customers pick out & purchase their handle material from my web store instead of settling on one of the pieces that the maker has available.

That's a great point, I myself have done this several times with stabilized woods over the past year and it has mostly worked out very well. Further, I've been able to take a drawing in Inkscape of a knife that I'm designing and custom fill the handle with any specific block of wood pictured at a purveyor's site. Then the customer can see roughly what the knife will look like with that block. This also works with damascus and hamons fairly well, I use pictures of blades I've made or pics I otherwise have and make custom fills out of them, then mock up my knife designs with them. But I digress.

I like that I can have a customer pick out and pay for a block to be shipped to me. Takes a little work out of my hands. And, I feel (as do they) that it's a more truly "custom" experience.

We all know that Mark has an excellent range of nice woods, I've done this so far with AKS, though. It is only a matter of time until I finally buy some mallee or gidgee from Mark, though. I love that stuff.

Greg, that's an interesting idea. To me it seems that most of your verticals are going to be categories of consumer that each use a fairly limited style of knife, limiting horizontals for each category. I know that kitchen, for instance, has a huge range of blade styles, but there is a limited range of materials that I would consider suitable for a kitchen environment. Within that range, it's up to the taste (npi) of the cook what to use.

It works better for me to make the vertical into types of knife (hunting, kitchen, throwing, etc) and make the horizontals into materials and styles. That way I can express a range of variables in kitchen knives, for instance.

Or maybe, I can express horizontals as types of user within the vertical category. For instance, kitchen subcategories would be small restaurant, high volume restaurant, food industries, dedicated amateur, negligent home cook. For each of these I come up with a different range of materials and even style.

For collectors though, I find it hard to predict what a hypothetical "collector" will even prefer to own. Some collect folders, some bowies. Each collector will prefer a unique set materials and styles. It would take a far more experienced and intelligent knifemaker than myself to create a system that would adequately predict the tastes of collectors.

My advice is to make what you want, Patrice. As it seems that you are wondering about knives that you will be building on spec, rather than orders. Hopefully a true collector will be interested in your work because of your unique sensibilities and skills, as well as choice in materials. I think that agrees well with what Nick said above, too. If you follow too closely what market tastes dictate, you may end up cramping your own style and you definitely won't be pushing the envelope. And that would be a shame, since you definitely strike me as a maker who could.
 
My advice is to make what you want, Patrice. As it seems that you are wondering about knives that you will be building on spec, rather than orders. Hopefully a true collector will be interested in your work because of your unique sensibilities and skills, as well as choice in materials. I think that agrees well with what Nick said above, too. If you follow too closely what market tastes dictate, you may end up cramping your own style and you definitely won't be pushing the envelope. And that would be a shame, since you definitely strike me as a maker who could.
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This has turned into one of those, "who knew this was going to be an interesting thread?" threads!
 
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