What mora do I buy?

1966c10 said:
I can't believe it wasn't obvious, but my statement about laying flat was referring to the bevel laying flat, not the flat of the blade. The scandi bevel is wide enough that all it requires is to be held against the stone. You are not supporting the knife at a specific angle, you are pressing the bevel against the stone. With flat and hollow-grind, you are supporting the angle of the knife throughout the sharpening slice.

You cannot learn to support specific angles when your practice method doesn't require you to support specific angles.
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It was obvious. My point was that you're not holding the knife FLAT. You DO have to support it at an angle--the angle at which the edge bevel is flat against the stone. When doing so the spine of the knife is lifted off the stone, and if you stop supporting the knife at that angle it will fall with its SIDES flat on the stone rather than the EDGE. Therefore, you DO develop muscle memory from supporting the knife at that obvious suitable angle. This angle is analogous to the usual angle of conventional edge--while not exact, it allows you to calibrate a mental "feel" for the proper angle to use and maintain. Hope that's a little more clear for you. :)
 
Here's the one I just got from Amazon (who got it from 'Rockies Gear Store'). I love it! It's just called the 'Mora Fixed Blade. It comes razor sharp, but I gave it a few swipes on the Sharpmaker anyway! I drilled the hole in the handle for a simple short lanyard to assist in removing it from the sheath----otherwise, it's a little hard for me to quickly grab. I added a cheapie lighter with a ranger band. I could also have stuck my Firesteel in there instead, but I store that elsewhere. This photo is just an idea. This little set-up will probably just ride around with me in my trucks glove box.

I love this knife-----it's crazy-sharp, the handle and finger guard are excellent, it's compact and should be easy to re-sharpen. This would be a bargain at TWICE the price!! I'll probably order 'Mora and Mora' of them!! :D

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FortyTwoBlades said:
It was obvious. My point was that you're not holding the knife FLAT. You DO have to support it at an angle--the angle at which the edge bevel is flat against the stone. When doing so the spine of the knife is lifted off the stone, and if you stop supporting the knife at that angle it will fall with its SIDES flat on the stone rather than the EDGE. Therefore, you DO develop muscle memory from supporting the knife at that obvious suitable angle. This angle is analogous to the usual angle of conventional edge--while not exact, it allows you to calibrate a mental "feel" for the proper angle to use and maintain. Hope that's a little more clear for you. :)
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sorry to jump in, but........ya'll made me think of something.......don't some if not all? of the moras come with a very slight secondary micro-bevel already? my sure look that way.....it's not an obvious secondary bevel, but it's there?

i guess you can enhance it by using a sharpmaker, or turn it into a convex by stropping, or eliminate it and return to zero with benchstoning it. guess it's a nonissue, for the most part, but seems they come this way, meaning not at a true zero scandi grind...maybe i'm way off though and just got a couple of bad examples?
 
Yup! Exactly as mentioned in that article. There's a slight secondary bevel--commonly referred to as a "micro-bevel"--to increase edge stability. I usually sharpen mine to a zero edge then do just a couple of gentle passes on an extra-fine stone at a slightly lifted angle to establish the micro bevel. :)
 
I fully understand what you're saying. I'm an experienced sharpener and know how to maintain a Scandinavian style edge configuration. My point is that while the bevel is laid flat on the stone, the spine is lifted. Thus the entire blade is held at an angle in relation to the stone. This is similar to when you hold a more conventional blade to a stone, but without the potential variability in angle held. Thus it's like training wheels for someone before learning how to sharpen a normal knife freehand.

This develops a sense of an appropriate range of the blade/stone relationship. That's all I'm saying. ;)

1966c10 said:
/facepalm

You aren't getting it. Maybe that's my fault or maybe you are just a pictures with arrows type of person. Apparently YOU also feel that more CAPITAL letters HELP, so let me RESTATE my POINT that WAY. I'm NOT saying you lay the KNIFE flat, but the BEVEL. You LAY the blade on the stone, TILT the bevel down FLAT and that's IT. You have SELF alignment. All YOU have to do is KEEP it PUSHED against the stone. At no point are you dictating the bevel angle, the blade bevel IS. That DOESN'T teach you ANYTHING but how TO hold one large flat surface against another.

Keeping a scandi bevel pushed FLAT against a STONE and holding a hollowgrind's edge at a specific angle against the stone require two totally DIFFERENT techniques. You are not "SUPPORTING the knife at that obvious subtle angle" with scandis. You're just mashing the bevel flat against a stone. That doesn't teach you how to maintain a specific angle.

Here is Mr Mears doing it. As you can see, all he is doing is pushing the bevel down flat, he isn't supporting it at an "obvious subtle angle".
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iammark said:
Here's the one I just got from Amazon (who got it from 'Rockies Gear Store'). I love it! It's just called the 'Mora Fixed Blade. It comes razor sharp, but I gave it a few swipes on the Sharpmaker anyway! I drilled the hole in the handle for a simple short lanyard to assist in removing it from the sheath----otherwise, it's a little hard for me to quickly grab. I added a cheapie lighter with a ranger band. I could also have stuck my Firesteel in there instead, but I store that elsewhere. This photo is just an idea. This little set-up will probably just ride around with me in my trucks glove box.

I love this knife-----it's crazy-sharp, the handle and finger guard are excellent, it's compact and should be easy to re-sharpen. This would be a bargain at TWICE the price!! I'll probably order 'Mora and Mora' of them!! :D

MoraKnife23.jpg

MoraKnife22.jpg
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that's a mora 511, great for the bush.. the 711 is also another favorite of mine as the handle seems more friendly for long term use....
 
1966c10 said:
Hey bro. I ain't mad. Maybe I need to put more :) 's in my posts so people don't think I'm mad. ;)

I guess we understand each other, but still disagree. That's cool.
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Gotta' hate that absence of expressional context on the 'net, eh? :p:thumbup:
 
Agreed! The name is appropriate--it'll become a favorite I'm sure!
 
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