What Schrade is this?

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larmar

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Ebay item 6623390016 that just closed. Seller said it was a 162OT. I really wanted that one but got priced out. I have never seen one like it and was hoping to find some more info on it.

Thanks
 
larmar,
That is interesting. I have never seen one like it. It may be a prototype or something out of the custom shop. Might have been a design they were thinking about making, or had thought about making at one time.
It looks like the back edge is either sharpened half way down or it has a false edge. It is a nice design, and I like it in the saw cut derlin.
I have no reference to this one and I checked http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/ and I don't see where Larry has a picture of it there. I expect it is one of knives out of the factory after it closed.
I see the same seller has a 897UH with all black handles and unsharpened blades, #6624154024. Sounds to me like it is an unfinished knife from the factory, though I am sure Codger could tell us more about it.

Maybe LT, Codger, Larry or one of the former Schrade employees knows something about the 162OT.

Dale
 

This is a 162OT prototype/sample. I am pretty sure it is not a knife that reached production, but I have no firsthand info on it. It likely came from the sample room. As you may or may not know, Schrade (the Baer brothers specifically) were adament that they produced cutlery for household, sporting and workman use, not weapons. The 162OT is a boot knife/dirk pattern... (i.e. a weapon), so I would imagine that is the reason it was not produced. Opinions may vary.

Codger
 
Damn.. that has to be the boot knife LT has told us about. Schrade projected they'd sell a bunch of them.. then dropped the idea for the reasons Codger described. Wish I'd have seen it, I would have gone much much higher than the winning price. Wish I had sold it as well... with a good sales pitch, that thing should have gone several times the $125 winning bid. Goes to show how much even experienced, 'big time' schrade collectors DON'T know about what they collect. We all know who they are on ebay, and none of them caught this one.

Though this could be a case of a knife being so rare, so unknown, that it there is no basis for deciding on a value for it.

Phil
 
I have never seen a Schrade knife like the 162OT in the picture.
LT do you have one? Any history?
 
w5rwu.. the seller is confusing the name of the Schrade 'Mghty Anglers' (MA-5 and 6) with the knife you show us. A somewhat common error (?) on ebay now; If you don't know what it is, call it a 'Schrade'.
Phil
 
w5rwu said:
hey guys, what is this on ebay #6625188888?????
randy
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Randy,
It looks to me like the knife may be an old, and not too well cared for, Imperial. It is hard to tell from the pic, but that is what it looks like to me.

Just my $.02,
Dale
 
thank you guys i did not know what i was looking at. a real found or what?
Phil i too have seen on ebay if the seller does not know what they are selling
they call it SCHRADE,SCHARDE, SHRADE ect.
thanks randy ,oh i do not type!
 
The story is that these were made by Schrade but never produced even though they had 100,000 on order just from the protos. As I and others have written before, Schrade felt that there image was to make tools not weapons . What about all those bayonettes ect ????? I don't know, go figure. Anyway the managment in there wisdom decided not to produce them ( to violent like autos I guess ). Either one probably would have saved the company. This one I do not believe was the one from the collection which was shown to me by the president of Shrade when he showed me the knife, in the collection on the wall after he told me the story. Knowing the players in this deal I believe this one was scoffed by an employee. That is how it got by me on ebay, I forgot the rule of Schrade they almost never made just one of anything. So I over looked it and then almost defacated when I saw the posting on this bladeforum thread. Which is why I did not respond to the thread. The buyer is a MSGT ( presently serving in harms way). He had a friend in Florida buy it and I contacted the Sgt and made him an offer. He wanted a carry piece. He said he would check the knife when his friend in FL received it the friend told him that it was discolored, unsharpened and had no sheath. So he accepted my ( somewhat larger than what he paid ) offer. Of course then the forum went down. You will notice that the knife is correctly tanged and shielded. I have also included a pic of several other OT straights so that the reader can compare size and hilt styles ect. You can certainly see that they are all from the same family. ( Note the other knives in this picture are working knives that I actually have used for years so they may be down a bit however the patterns should be quite well known and should serve to give the reader an idea of size ect. ) . I gave these pics to Larry for posting on his site and also while emailing Phil showed them to him. For those of you who want to collect all the old timer series this one may pose a problem to acquire. Now that the cat is out of the bag I imagine if another one comes up on the bay it may bring a lot more money than I had to pay for mine. LT PS the MSGT was a true gentleman and really only wanted a fair price he was typical of all the wonderful people who serve our nation. PPS it would seem that right now ( since BF is just coming back on apparently you cannot post pics. So perhapes Larry or Phil can post the pics or sent them or else I will post them as soon as the site is 100 percent.
 
As I already have written to LT; If I couldn't have the knife (and I did try to buy it from the winner bidder), I'm glad he does. I would not even have known about the model if not for LT's post some time ago. Having an interest in boot knives, and a small collection of them, I made note of his mentioned of them at that time.

Let me embarass LT as I have done in the past: He is a most valuable member of our group. I will go one step past embarrassing the man and piss him off by writing that he is the heart and soul of the forum... He knows the brand, he loves the brand. That boot knife is now in the proper hands.

Phil
 
As I have mentioned to several people who have inquired about this knife I am and have been researching it. I just spoke to an old friend who shed a little light on the subject. He says there were at least several of these made in the R & D room (research and development.) He remembers seeing them. SOOO they are out there or at least might be. It seems as I suspected and as was not unusual with R & D items that they may have for the most part melted into private hands. As I have said Schrades are a great study since you never know what will surface. LT
 
LT, if you get a chance, I would like to know more about a trapper style fish knife with the Schrade Walden tang stamp and an unusual fish type shield. It looked like a very unique piece.
Thanks Rick
 
LT can probably tell you all you want to know, but is this the knife in question? Stainless steel blades, as any good fishing knife would have, very attractive pattern. I took this photo from Sargent's Pocket knife book. The 4 value given is his, not mine.
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Yes Phil that's it, I had taken an interest in one recently until I noticed that another forum member had the high bid on it.
 
You guys are rather observant. The knife in question is a SS292 it is a two bladed trapper with stainless steel blades ( one being a fish scaler ) and a unusual fish shaped shield. the knife is one of those patterns which has just eluded me for years. It is perhapes the only Schrade fishing pattern I did not have. Thankyou for the curtesy of honoring my bid. Actually the reason I bid it early was to mark it for just such a reason. However that is a two edged sword. Believe it or not ( me being the quiet soft spoken innocuous person that I am ) not everyone reacts the way you did and some will bid it up ( when they see my name ) just to break horns. At the end someone inched the bid by me in sort of a quiet nibble up manner. However with 3 seconds left I did snipe it and felt my top bid would be sufficient. It was one of those pleasant surprises ( that you get once in a while ) when the knife sold for 57 dollars.

I feel this went this reasonable for several reasons first the knife is damaged. The backside scale is missing a piece. This I feel was also double edged sword. ( both good and bad ) first I believe it kept the price down. Second it is the backside ( no shield ). This knife is important enough to me to either have the scale repaired or replaced ( if I can match the scale. it is the same as any Schrade Walden trapper ( in bone) and I have a few of those so if I can match the color I will impose on someone I know to make the swap or repair. You see while this is a one of a kind style the fact that it is a standard trapper frame and the break being on the backside allows the possibility of affecting this repair.

This knife was a later and short lived entry into the Schrade Walden line. I do not know if these were made in Walden ( since it is a later jigging indicative of the Schrade ( Ulster post 56 ) Waldens. However it was made in Ellenville from 56 until 59 or 60. I once had a chance to get one still in the package ( new ) . For some reason this is one of those patterns that just never worked out for me to acquire. These were only ( to my knowledge ) made with bone handles.

When this knife went on I checked out the sellers other items mostly all had a buy it now. I contacted the seller (prior to anyone else having placed a bid). I mentioned his other buy it nows and asked if he would alter his ad and put a buy it now on this item. I did not mention any price and really would have paid a lot more than 57 dollars. He waited ( quite a while ) until there were several bids and then wrote me back saying that since there were now bids he would leave it as is. I thanked him for his consideration in responding and told him I respected his business ethics.

By the way I sometimes make a mistake and step on a friends bid ( who the hell can remember everyones handle ). If I do that let me know and we can talk. Chances are most knives are not that important to me and I will withdraw most of the time. I also truly appreciate the curtesy many of you have shown me ( in similar circumstaces ) in the past. Let me know if you need more info and I will babble a bit more. Thanks again LT
 
Rich asked me to post these pictures a while ago. Just got to it today. I know the wait will be worth it. This is one of the knifes that were "never made" but we know different!
You can always tell a LT picture if you watch for Buster!
ENJOY.
TTYL
Larry

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The link works great LT! And I like that knife, as most OT fans would. Glad that this one wound up in Buster's collection. Is it too much trouble to give us some particulars on this knife (an APB of sorts)?

Codger
 
Sorry if I got off topic there, I too have always loved a good boot knife and have often wondered if Schrade ever produced one.
Thanks Rick
 
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