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thanks for the info, so having bad stones with alot of practice is better than good stones and no practice?
also since i have no practice will i damage the trihone or more expensive set, that is really the question, i dont want to spend alot and destroy it
 
and like i said do i need a grit below 1000 because i can get some norton 1000/4000 and a 12000 but im not sure if id need lower and if i did id get a norton 220/1000 and a king 6000 and 12000 but im not sure which one
 
Silverdog said:
i sort of like a challenge, sharpening them electrically seems almost like cheating, i just wanna sit down, listen to some war movie and try to get my blade sharp, it seems rewarding so by the way do i need 250 grit or can i just do 1000, and i really do like the norton just too expensive, but yeah also i always wanted to hand sharpen my knives, its almost like shooting targets to me i guess, its surprisingly fun and fulfilling
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Not as peaceful as what I had in mind hahaha. I usually have some old country music on when I'm working on something.
It all depends on how far off the edge is. For reprofiling (changing or resetting the factory angle) use the coarse. For day to day sharpening use is your med. and fine grits.
 
Silverdog said:
thanks for the info, so having bad stones with alot of practice is better than good stones and no practice?
also since i have no practice will i damage the trihone or more expensive set, that is really the question, i dont want to spend alot and destroy it
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Your not gonna damage anything but your edge but you will get better. Just make sure to keep water in them when in use and rinse the flakes off every once and a while during sharpening.
 
ok, ill probably get the norton 1000 king 6000 and quarry 12000, or the norton 1000/4000 and quarry 12000 or the masahiro 400/1000/3000 and a norton 1000 cause its higher quality, maybe or the quarry whichever. When it comes to tv im a kid, i watch star wars, apocalypsr now, its too quiet without it, i know it aint peaceful but i dunno some country is ok but its never been my fav. i usually like rock and rap
 
Silverdog said:
thanks for the info, so having bad stones with alot of practice is better than good stones and no practice?
also since i have no practice will i damage the trihone or more expensive set, that is really the question, i dont want to spend alot and destroy it
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The tri-hone? Not likely. It primarily india and Arkansas stones which are pretty strong firm stones. Unless you drop it or deliberately beat on it, it shouldn't break.

Really the only difference between good and bad stones is how fast they grind the metal, and even then that is a matter of personal preference. A really bad stone will have other issues that will be immediately visible on the stone or on the blade after the first use. These can be major inconsistencies in the stone appearance, a feel of random particles scraping the blade, and a lack flatness in the stone surface. The last one can be remedied using various lapping methods.
 
Silverdog said:
ok, ill probably get the norton 1000 king 6000 and quarry 12000, or the norton 1000/4000 and quarry 12000 or the masahiro 400/1000/3000 and a norton 1000 cause its higher quality, maybe or the quarry whichever. When it comes to tv im a kid, i watch star wars, apocalypsr now, its too quiet without it, i know it aint peaceful but i dunno some country is ok but its never been my fav. i usually like rock and rap
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based on the grits I would go with the masahiro because you probably should have a coarse, medium, and fine. Those three are more important for general sharpening than your much higher polishing grits.
I'm a fellow star wars nerd too and Country just ain't for most.
 
yeah, most of my friends love country, i can tolerate most of it, even like some of it, and in fact im watching star wars right now. and im guessing on either the masahio and quarry or considering the norton 1000/4000 and the norton 180 and 360 im not sure

so either possible more quality norton or higher polish masahio
 
well like i said youve been a huge help, ill try to order them tomorrow and ill message you on this thread to tell you how it works and what i buy, it'll probably be by tuesday when i tell you how they work and maybe tomorrow ill tell you what i buy, cya later
 
Silverdog said:
well like i said youve been a huge help, ill try to order them tomorrow and ill message you on this thread to tell you how it works and what i buy, it'll probably be by tuesday when i tell you how they work and maybe tomorrow ill tell you what i buy, cya later
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Glad to help. I'm sure you will be happy with whatever you buy.
 
Hey whats up? I ordered the smith tri-hone cause it looks pretty good and i got a handysharp which is a little convenient sharpener, it has a special carbide edge, its not going to work like a stone but i got it if i dont want the to lug around a stone and a little smith pocket pal for field sharpening in case if i do something or in an emergency or whatever, ill tell you how it goes over the weekend and i got a crappy old kitchen knife to practice with.
 
This is how to do this and save some serious money.

Go to harbor freight and but the 4 buffing compounds they have. Black, grayish, white, green.
Go to a thrift store and pick up a couple old leather belts. You want plain leather, nothing braided or anything.
Sand each side of each belt.
Apply black to one side of one, grey to the other side. Apply green to the other belt on whichever side of the belt feels smoother. Apply white on the other side. Black is the coarsest, green is finest.
Strop the knife on these belts, edge trailing. Go in order of black, grey, white, green.
Shave with your knife!

By the way, you'll be starting with 3000 grit in this process. I reccomend also buying a pocket stone or something. I promise, this works.
 
It costs very little, so it's a great finishing process after the tri-hone you ordered.
 
Silverdog said:
and like i said do i need a grit below 1000 because i can get some norton 1000/4000 and a 12000 but im not sure if id need lower and if i did id get a norton 220/1000 and a king 6000 and 12000 but im not sure which one
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Personally I'd stick with one mfg for my waterstones. You can use any for a coarse stone 220-240, and its the only stone in the Norton waterstone lineup that (for me) doesn't work well. Beyond that, I'd stick with all Kings, all Nortons etc. Norton goes up to 8k which is a near mirror finish. The Arashiyama 1k and 6k come well recommended. For getting into freehand I'd say simple is better - a Norton India stone, some mineral oil, and some Flexcut Gold honing compound will take you a long way. For a strop just wrap a sheet of paper around the same stone and use that till it loads up and swap out.

When it comes to waterstones I'd stick with all one brand - they work a lot better when you're not jumping from one make to another.

Edit to add: I sell a complete "system" through the link in my signature that would be well worth a closer look. Helps with freehand consistency, gives great results and very quickly. Also very versatile and inexpensive. The linked thread has complete description and a handful of videos showing best practices.

Martin
 
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Hey thanks for all the answers, next time i go to harbor freight I will grab that, and maybe some water stones. For now the trihone works really well, for the first few knives I could get a sharper edge using the smiths pocket pal I grabbed as a field sharpener but after my 6th knife I got an edge so sharp i actually shaved alittle with it and it felt fine and I'm guessing that after a couple months using this I can get it even sharper cause I know that I can get it sharper with just the trihone but I don't have the skill, I'm also getting the handysharp as sort of a way to get my knife sharper because a few friends have it and they can get a hair popping whittling edge with it, also if I cant pack a stone, I'll send another message saying my thoughts on the handysharp
 
hey whats up again, I got the handysharp today, I got the full, the full key, and the mini key, they do take alittle while to use, but they do polish the edge and instead of leaving the vertical scratch marks, they make it shine and smooth, they are also a lot sharper removing all the micro-serrations, and look mirror polished, although they do take a lot of work, a steady hand, and an extremely light touch.

edit: the handysharp sharpens and hones, to sharpen a dull edge takes forever so I use it after the 1200 grit stone to polish, remove scratches, and to hone. after I might strop with a plain leather belt to make it even sharper
 
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