What to get, what to get. (first allround firearm?)

PAL stands for Possession and acquisition certificate. You can also get a POL which is a Possession only certificate.

I have to agree with the Norinco M305. A fantastic rifle with a great cartridge. It is also very good for all sorts of projects from a countersniper rifle to Socom16 clone or Scout rifle.

My first choice though is a Parker Hale Custom no4. We have one in our family and it is a beautiful hand built classic English rifle on an Enfield no 4 action. They are dirt cheap at gun shows in Canada and although they come with a flush 5 round mag they fit a stock Enfield 10 round. Enfields are also one of the very few centerfire rifles allowed a legal 10 round mag. They come already set up for the Parker Hale scope mount. They have a custom PH barrel and are about as accurate as you can get with the .303 cartridge which is ubiquitous in Canada like the .30-06 is.

Another good choice is the Russian SKS they should be getting at Frontier Firearms which is one the web but also in my hometown.

Another cool thing about canadian firearms laws is if you buy it that way you can get very short shotgun barrels. So get yourself a nice black synthetic full stock nonpistolgrip
Remington 870 and a spare longer barrel. Add good ghostRing sights and you are set.
 
+1 on the norinco M14, very nice rifle. Looks pretty badass with the 20 rounder poking out as well.

For a shot gun I just got a maverick 88 security, 6 shot pump, short barrel, black synthetic, looks just tactical enough. It's the cheaper version of the Mossberg, so more plastic, but it's light and tough, it get's rave reviews if you look it up. You can steal it for 200 bucks at SIR cabelas, and accepts all the mossberg after market goodies.
The only thing not good about it stock is the butt pad is like a hockey puck, you will need a decent one, even though I haven't even changed mine yet.

For rimfires get yourself a marlin or CZ bolt action if you are just starting out shooting.
Semi auto is fun but it won't teach you proper shooting form. The CZ is a couple hundred more but it's a beautiful rifle.

My next rifle is going to be a savage bolt action in .308, I want to keep my ammo versatile, or a lee enfield, any type, a real piece of our history.
 
Some of those savages are nice...I have a model 12 with a big 6-24 bushnell 4200 in tps rings on a Farrell base. It weighs a ton but man, that's an accurate gun. I was sort of kicking around the idea of taking it mountain goat hunting, and shooting around 4-500m, so I wouldn't have to pack the thing up and down the mountains!
 
What calibre are you shooting with it?
Remember, if you nail a goat, you have to pack that thing down the mountain!
 
.308...I am into that whole "standardization" thing. I spend most of my time with that caliber around 400m, although I have now occasionally gone out to 800m (not hunting though.)


My dad and uncle are both mountain goat hunters but they always take super light rifles and spend their time hiking, which is also cool. My dad wants to see me shoot one from a long way back because he's never shot at anything over 200m and never hunted past about 100m. He is a hell of a woodsman but I am a better shooter and I think he just wants to see it done.

Have to give the thumbs up to my dad, though, he is pushing seventy and still goes on three or four day goat hunts way up in the mountains. He says he is still good for 700 vertical feet per hour all day, and I would guess that's true. I have hiked with him before and he doesn't tire out all that quickly! Although I can remember when he could do 1000 vertical feet per hour all day...he was a lot younger then though.
 
That is quite an achievement! I wouldn't want to guess how badly I would do in that particular field.
Do you scope all your M14s? I am still not sure how good it can actually shoot.
(Sorry for the derail, Fonly)
 
The closest I get to a scoped M14 is my folder...it's got an Eotech 552. Other than that I just throw GI irons on them. I thought about scoping one for a long time, and I still might, but I REALLY like the iron sights, 18.5" barrel and GI fiberglass stock configuration. That's what I generally use at 400 m and I have no trouble hitting an 11" gong I built for that purpose (shooting from prone anyway, I would have A LOT of trouble doing it from any other position!)

I just tweak mine lightly, and then shoot them. I find with a bit of work and very little money they will reliably do under 2 moa and that's plenty for me. For real precision I go to the Savage which I believe to shoot sub MOA but which I have not been able to acheive myself. I suspect if I had it locked down in a rest it could do under 1 moa, but I have not done better than a 5" group at 300 m.

I generally don't go crazy testing my rifles on paper, though. I just hike the gongs out and start shooting them. The Savage is almost not fun to use, it's just "Bang...clang!" "Bang...clang!" "Bang...clang!"

The iron sighted M14s are really fun at 400m though. You really have to think about what you're doing (or I do anyway.)
 
Hell why not just get a .50 and a little rifle pit and leave it when you go get your goat?
Or even just call in an air strike.

I am a big fan of the scout rifle concept but not really the very expensive Steyr rifle.

I also have a sporterized SMLE that i have been gathering parts to bring back to full military config but it is just such a light handy rifle I have not got around to it.
It was only 100$ without a mag and it has good iron sights. The no4 has great iron sights and they are both charger loading 10 round Canada legal mags. The .303 is a great round
and more than powerful and accurate enough so that you can get the most out of the good sights.

This makes for an ideal scout rifle. Really the one item most associated with a scout rifle ,"a fixed long eye relief scope" is the least important. Most important is a light handy rifle in a good cartridge with a big charger fed mag. This set up is a hell of a self defense rifle as well as a good bear defense rifle.
 
Well, if I lived in North Western Canada and wanted my fist all round firearm, something I could take out day after day and always rely on I would look at a Krieghoff Drilling. One with a rifle accessory barrel which could be inserted into one of the two 12g shotgun barrels which had a small varmint/rabbit cartridge for versatility.....but with the main rifle barrel sitting under the two 12g barrels as a good centrefire cartridge capable of taking any game required. I would use Apel quick release scope mounts and buy a good versatile scope easily removed if I wanted to use and swing the gun as a shotgun.

Here is the link to the Krieghoff Optima :

http://www.krieghoff.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=171&Itemid=138

Check out the KS insert barrel as an option. These are not cheap but there is nothing you cannot do with one. The options on calibre choices can be discussed endlessly but the idea of a small game and large game rifle and a shotgun all in one which "works" is superb. The need for mag feed etc diminishes with skill which is as it should be.

I am not sure how many of these are available in the US or Canada but a quick Google search had this one shown:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/91889536...0_x_20_x_308_Winchester_with_Kahles_Scope.htm

It has useful 20 guage magnum double barrels with a .308 barrel with a Khales scope and quick release mounts. If you get a .22 LR insert I think this type of rifle/shotgun combination which can be broken down and packed in a rucksack no problem is one of the most useful of all Wilderness and Survival Tools.

If you compare it to the cost of two seperate rifles....two scopes....then a shotgun....you start to balance out the initial higher cost.

My personal choice would be 12G barrels over a .30-06 and a KS .22LR insert because for Canada you might benefit from the extra "poke" of the .30-06. Ideally though you want a rifle calibre which will have a high round count before being shot out.....hot 7mm's/6.5mm's etc could mean new barrels a bit too soon for the high cost involved.
 
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i gotta go with the 870 also. its a good all around do everthing gun.you can hunt small game,big game and defence.
 
mhm, theres the obvious 410/.22 combo, but ive never been a fan of .410. Though my grandfather loved it, he had slugshooter in .410, and it was a nice little gun, but not my cup of tea.

I'm thinking the 870 is going to be the way to go, I've hunted rabbit, partridge up to koyote's and deer with a 12G growning up, I've never had a problem. Truth be told, I do prefer a 16G when hunting small game, but ammo was so scarce in Nova scotia it was no fun to shoot.
 
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Hell why not just get a .50 and a little rifle pit and leave it when you go get your goat?
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You laugh but I actually considered it for a while.

My dad has one of those Savage 24s, but his is in 30/30 and 20g, I believe. Cool gun but pretty heavy, I thought.
 
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