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I've been a long time lurker here. Between this forum and the books I've managed to download, I hope I've learned something positive. I have no access to new steel. I have a salvage yard a block and half from my house. I'm planning on beginning to play with my forge over the Christmas vacation. My first plan for beginner blades is leaf springs. I have a suspension shop on the opposite corner from my house. I noticed at the salvage yard today they have a collection of transmission input shafts. Can anyone suggest what type of steel they may be? Also, are there any sources (I don't have no idea who would compile such a list) for lists of salvage steel use and type? So, for example, if I come across a propeller shaft from a pre-1950s u-boat I can at least get an idea of the class of steel it might be and how to work it? Yes, I know other simpler steels would be easier to learn on but beggars can't be choosers and not having much money doesn't help. :D
Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
Leaf springs work great. I understand the low money issue, and so I won't make it out like you absolutely must you buy bar-stock. I did, but that was with help from my parents, who were ecstatic to get me off the computer. Without that influx of capital, I would have been in the same position as you.

As far as other steels, the only ones that I have ever personally used or seen used are leaf springs, coil springs, RR spikes, files, ball bearings (not recommended without a power hammer/press), and cutoffs from spring shops. None of these are ideal, but all of them should be present at the salvage yard. Note: RR spikes are purported to make good knives, but they aren't as high of carbon as even some of the simplest steels, and so I recommend that you use them for things like throwing knives. I have made 4 of these from RR spikes, and I have been more than satisfied with their performance and toughness.

Final note: I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. If you can get barstock, then that kicks the crap out of found steel. However, I understand if that just isn't feasible, and so other stuff will have to do.

Have fun! There is no point to the hobby if you have to push yourself every step of the way. Finally, welcome to BF. you have been a member for a while, so I hope you have been reading lots. If not, then start. You will find a wealth of information beyond the scope of your wildest dreams. Some of it's wrong, some of it is right, some is in between, but all of it is useful in some capacity.
 
Geek,
Thanks for the response. Yes, I've been registered for a while just didn't really have a question I felt I couldn't find in books. [Sidetrack - Damn Sopa law didn't affect pirated movies and songs but sure cut-out 'free' books. I guess couch-potatoes are easier to convince than people who read] Leaf springs are EXTREMELY easy for me to get and cheap. Gotta wait another five days for vacation before I can finish everything up and finally fire up the forge. It's taken me a year to find used firebricks, dirt cheap. I could have gone the brake forge route but wanted something more permanent. As I don't want to raise the electric bill either, the guy at the salvage yard has an old treadle sewing machine base with the pulleys. I'm gonna use that for my grinding machine. I should have an almost zero carbon footprint pretty soon :D
Thanks again.
 
for hunting size knives, you can try coil springs, they will forge down to closer to the size you need without hot cutting the leaf springs down. just need a way to heat them up enough to straighten enough out.
 
trefall,
Filling out your profile may greatly help you. It will first let us know where you are, and it will also tell us a bit about you such as age and life experience. There may be a smith near you who will offer some 1084 or other steel, as well as some help and advice.

While buying steel seems more expensive than using something you got for free, or for $2 at the scrap yard, it often takes far more propane/fuel and other products (abrasives, etc.) as well as much more time to convert them into a knife. Aldo sells a single bar of .125X1.5X48" 1084 for less than $15. Shipping adds about $10 to that, so for $25 you get enough steel to make at least six knives. That is about $4 a blade. The steel comes annealed and ready to make into a knife. The scrap comes....well you don't know how it comes....but it will surely need to be transformed into a piece that you can use for a knife. Its past life may have left it with internal issues that will make the knife poor or fail. Transforming it into a piece of knife stock may create more cracks and flaws. So it often comes down to using a $1 piece of God-knows-what or a $4 piece of steel that was made to be a good knife and is in perfect condition. Is your budget really that restricted?
The other side of the coin is that the steel is usually the lowest cost on a knife. You usually spend far more on abrasives, handle material, supplies ( glue, small tools, pin stock, etc.), sheath, and your own time ( it is worth something).

As to using exotic scrap, like a propeller shaft, it is almost always a bad idea. Some scrap types have alloys that are similar enough to allow a second life as a knife. Leaf and coil springs are some of these. Other things, like saw blades, drive shafts, files, and such, can be made of almost any alloy, and there is no guarantee that it will work at all. The charts and lists you will find on some internet sites are usually pure fantasy. There is no assurance that a leaf spring is 5160, or a file is 1095, or a saw blade is L6. Actually, there is a far better chance they are NOT those steels, but what they are is a mystery.

I commend you on wanting to build a foot powered grinder, but the input power from a treadle sewing machine may be far too low to get the sanding belts to grind the steel.
Most foot pump sewing machines only generate a low torque and fractional HP, around .10HP. The foot powered lathes of yore had much different power input methods. You might want to consider making a bicycle powered grinder, as the belt speeds and power input will be far greater. One guy peddles while another grinds.

Getting back to the what you get for what you spend, the small amount of power consumed by a 1HP motor running for about an hour ( about the average total ON time for a knife) is pretty low. That is .75 KilloWattHours. Look at your electric bill and see what you pay for your power, but the average is about $0.12 per KWH, so running a 1HP grinder for an hour costs about a dime. One cigarette or one beer cost more than that. The gas to drive two or three blocks may cost a dime.
The point is that the grinder motor power consumption is probably the lowest cost item in knifemaking. A used 1HP motor can often be found at the scrap yard or a yard sale. Even a 3/4HP motor powering a home built grinder will be far better than a foot treadle.
 
Stacy,
Updated my profile, as much as I'm willing to (too many people put way too much personal info online :D). I'm going to using stones instead of belts because that's what I have available. I've easily sewn leather with a similar machine as the base I want to buy. I can't guarantee it's going to work but I'm gonna give it a shot and see what happens. From the speeds the mechanism can produce, as long as I don't lean on the blade while grinding, I THINK it will do what I need. We'll see. Thanks.
 
Thanks, That is why the profile is important.

You are in Mexico, which is a far different thing. If you live near the boarder, Aldo could ship to a USA friend or relative, and you could get it from them during a visit.

Good luck on the foot powered grinder, but I doubt it will work.
 
Welcome to BF and if you have'nt already read it in a stickie, WG's book the wonder of knifemaking he
suggests bringing up to non magnetic and quench- if it breaks like glass it should make an ok knife.
I've done this many times and while being in agreement with everyone else on known steel its a place to
start. Have actually made some pretty decent knives this way. Good luck.
Ken.
 
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