What was easier/harder than you thought..

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.. about making knives?

I'm getting the knifemaking bug and was wondering about when you first started.

About the business in general (getting customers, finding your niche, etc.) but mainly about making the blade itself, what was easier that you thought it would be, what was harder that you thought it would be?

Thanks for your answers.
 
I made new handles for some kitchen knives that I really liked. They turned out well, I was able to fix some use issues that the knives had and they became my favorite knive. I then bought some blades and put handles on them and then started making the whole knife.

If I had done a proper business plan and forseen the range of skills needed to be a good knife maker, I would have never started.

However, given that I fell into the knife making trap, I love it very much. Dont do too much planning, get started and make sure its something you enjoy.
 
Making knives is easy, pricing knives is hard, being original is almost impossible. :p

If you're starting out, be prepared to become a big collector of your knives. Your family and friends will rapidly tire of your knives (unless you're truly gifted).

I had a decent customer base of really great guys when I started selling knives but I really got tired of making drop point hunters and a few other designs. Now I make what I like and am truly blessed to have found a few people that like the same style of knife. My teacher really reinforces to me to be true to myself and make "Will" knives, I've found that I'm much much happier that way.

If you're looking at making handmade/custom knives as a business be prepared to be broke most of the time. You'll need to learn to make knives first, then establish a reputation, then you'll have a customer base. It seems possible to circumvent the "normal" ebb and flow of becoming a maker by making some really wild stuff that you'd never use so the flaws wouldn't show but they usually are found out for what they are and fade away. If you don't enjoy making knives then it would become a very tedious, frustrating way to make a very bad hourly wage.

I don't recommend making knives, especially as a business but if you can't help it then jump on in with the rest of us cause the water's fine. :p
 
First off, I am not by any means a "maker". I have wanted to make knives for most of my life. I had an uncle, who was a custom maker out of California, Glen Hornby. He made really beautiful clean knives (and helped teach Tom Mayo out of Hawaii how to make knives). I wanted to go learn from him, when I was done with Highschool, you know, go spend a summer or two learning. He passed away right about that time.

I made my first one last year. I finished it up in time for Christmas. I made it with hand files, a mini hack saw, and sand paper. Even my electric drill crapped out, so I drilled the handle scales with a hand crank drill.

my super high tech tools/setup. The table is a board on saw horse set up. C-clamps, mini hack saw, and hand files.
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Progress shots

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It was fun. It took forever. I even heat treated the blade my self in a tiny charcoal grill, quenched it in old oil, and tempered it in my oven.

Then, went out and bought a scrap piece of leather, and made a sheath late at night, the night before I flew out for Christmas.

Shaping the handles was the hardest part I thought. I made kind of a complicated handle for shaping, what with the sub hilt. I really think the next set I am going to make will be a nessmuk design, with no handle curves, or finger cut outs to worry about.

The handle was the only part I used a machine on. I got a 1x30 grinder at harbor freight, and shaped the handles with it. I need to get much higher grit belts for shaping the handle, so little mess ups don't nick and ding the steel as much. I really did a number on the profile of the sub hilt trying to shape the handles. I also dinged up the exposed end of the tang with the lanyard hole. The lines aren't as round and clean as before I started shaping the handle scales. I should have done more rough shaping before epoxying the scales on.

I really need a small vice now for some of shaping, filing chores.

top knife, with another 3 inch Busse for comparison.
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I probably should have stuck with a v-grind on this, since the blade design is so angular, but I have been really on a convex edge kick lately, and I figured heck, I will use that new belt grinder to sharpen it up in a few minutes instead of hours by hand. It was my first attempt at convex edge by belt sander, so the edges lost a bit of their square profile. But both front edge and main edge will pop hair (or cut your thumb to the bone, and sever the nerve if you are stupid like me)

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As soon as the thumb heals up a bit, I will be starting a set of 3, one for my self, one for my older brother, and one for my dad. I will do them for next Christmas. I will probably send them out for heat treat this time, since I want to be sure the heat treat quality is good (not my shade tree, magnet, charcoal grill/fan for air source heat treat, with mystery quench oil).
 
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Harder than I thought:

-Drilling the silly little pin holes in the tang.
-Draw filing in the bevels
-Sanding before and after HT

Easier:

-Installing and shaping the handles
-Filing in the plunges
-HT
-Making a sheath

Good luck if you decide to give it a try.
 
Harder: Looking at pics of BigFatty's thumb!:eek:

Easier: Being thankful that's not MY thumb!:D

-Mark
 
Easier? forging, heat treating, getting the blade shape right
Harder? Getting plunge grinds right, finishing the blade getting the handle right, putting an edge on it.
 
Definately harder than it looks. The HUGE pile of scrap knives reminds me of how hard it is!:mad: Hundreds & hundreds of dollars in steel and belts later I seem to see a small light at the end of the tunnel. Can't give up now!:)
 
Screwing up..........Easy
Making the screw ups look like you intended to do it that way............Hard:D
 
Easy - rationalising to myself how I can build a machine for way cheaper than buying one new, ordering the parts. And some tools to help the task. And a motor. And a variable speed drive. And the materials to rewire the grinding area for 220. And a bunch of new belts.

Hard - explaining to my wife why I had no choice in the matter...
 
Also, for me anyway; Easier than I thought - pattern welding basic stuff, rough grinding. Harder - good mirror polishing, and having so many things I want to learn for the forseeable future.
 
easier;

HT, sheath making

Harder;

fit & finish, design, wood finishes.

For myself, as long as it's something I make for myself, as long as it sorta looks like a knife and cuts like a knife I'm pretty happy, I just have to get it engrained in my head that somebody that pays for a knive, including me, wants more.

Learning what is good to put on wood to give the best look feel and durability has been somewhat happenchance.
 
On the harder list for me would definitely be plunges and grinding bevels. Also, getting the finish just right, especially at the ricasso/scale junction.

--nathan
 
So wait... you guys are telling me there are easier parts?!?!?! :confused:


Damn it... I haven't come to those yet! :eek:
 
Easy - enjoying Nick's awesome turkish twist integral pictorial thread.

Hard - waiting to see the finished product!

Not to be an impatient jackass or anything. I have umpteen unfinished "irons in the fire."
 
easier, hollow grinding after I got rid of my grizzly and replaced it with a KMG.

harder, coming up with new stuff to carve on the handles.
 
Easy, spending time shaping out and setting up new folders

harder: having a burn't out element in my oven..,i think :mad:
 
Easier: loosing track of time
Harder: stopping when the wife is yelling at me because I spent the whole week end in my shop.
What are you going to do?
 
Easier:

-Spending lots and lots of time in the garage making dust and burning up electricity, time, and materials

Harder:

-Actually finishing anything to completion

I've been tinkering at this for about a year now with lots of 'projects' in progress, but only 3 completed knives to show for it.
 
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