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One drop of glue.....

I have had a shield fall out of an expensive knife.

But it could be worse.
Two drops of glue.
Where the excess is smeared on wood around the shield
 
Roland, the shield falling out of my CSC, and your AGR reminds me of the book "1984" by George Orwell. Goods became very shoddy in Orwell's future!
Published just after WWII I think. Today it would be "2046" or 36 years into the future. Maybe the blades will fall out then!:D:D Actually kind of scary:eek:!

For want of a pivot pin . . . . . . . . . . . . . .sweet dreams!
 
I've had several shields fall out on me. It kills the love for that particular knife for me because I only see a hole instead of a the entire knife.
Being in the manufacturing business I refuse to believe that pinning a shield can add that much more additional cost or time to the process. Its one more detail that adds to good craftsmanship.
 
Had this happen to me on several knives in the late 80's and early 90's. If they are not going to pin them, there is no excuse since clean surfaces, a little epoxy and curing time is all it takes. If those steps are not in the cards, they should just leave the shields off.

It disturbs me that it is still going on. Shows a lack of pride in the knife.
 
Hi waynorth -

I have never had this happen on a Case knife (yet), but I do have this old Monarch from Japan that also has lost its shield.

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I have had this little guy in my desk for 18 years or so, I found it in one of the old desks that I took over way back when and I kept it ever since.

It would not make me very happy to have a shield on a more expensive knife fall out, like has been said, it should be fairly straightforward to prevent this from happening with today's methods and epoxies.

best regards -

mqqn
 
When you consider the qualities of some of the industrial adhesives available -- especially some of the two part Loctite contact adhesives -- there is just no excuse for even glued shields to fall out short of the scale material itself failing.
 
zerogee said:
When you consider the qualities of some of the industrial adhesives available -- especially some of the two part Loctite contact adhesives -- there is just no excuse for even glued shields to fall out short of the scale material itself failing.
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Thank you, Dwight! :thumbup::cool:
 
I lost the shield on this one. I've had shields fall off a few Henckels knives but super glue seemed to do the trick.

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It looks naked, in the wrong and unappealing way:eek:

Mind you, I'm surprised as modern glue should be really foolproof stuff.
 
You still have to care about how well you do it, though. I have very recently worked in a factory, and unfortunately, many workers nowadays just don't care. They go through the motions, but their hearts are not in their work. Sign of the times, I guess.
 
When I got my first MM 5300 it was made in 2005. I returned it because the master blade nail nick was too shallow. With that said, the knife had a pinned shield.The one I have now, a 2007, doesn't. I look at the liner and there is a hole for a pin. I don't know when they decided not to pin them or if they pin some and not others?The shield is epoxied as you can see the clear epoxy on the side of the shield.
 
navihawk said:
When I got my first MM 5300 it was made in 2005. I returned it because the master blade nail nick was too shallow. With that said, the knife had a pinned shield.The one I have now, a 2007, doesn't. I look at the liner and there is a hole for a pin. I don't know when they decided not to pin them or if they pin some and not others?The shield is epoxied as you can see the clear epoxy on the side of the shield.
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I recently purchased several Queen made MM knives with yellow bone handles and they are all 2008 and brand new 2010 production - they all have pinned on shields so maybe you just got a factory error?
 
zerogee said:
When you consider the qualities of some of the industrial adhesives available -- especially some of the two part Loctite contact adhesives -- there is just no excuse for even glued shields to fall out short of the scale material itself failing.
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When I look at Case knives specifically, they started gluing on the shields some time in 1978 though it took awhile for the changeover - I have owned and observed thousands of Case pocket knives made from 1979-1984 with the glued shields and it is very rare to see even one with a missing shield from that era, even on well used knives.

However, if you look at Case pocket knives from about 1986 to the present day, missing shields are very common even to the point of the shield dropping out while the knife is still new and never unwrapped.

I wonder what has changed.
 
I have an old Schrade Heritage trapper from 83 that has lost it's shield but it still finds it's way into my pocket every Deer season and all the guys ask why I still carry it when I have so many others I could carry. But the truth is there are just so many memories attached to that trapper that I dont care how it looks anymore.
I agree with Steve that Case had alot of shields that would fall off it you just looked at it wrong in the late 80's. I had one jump off a Texas Jack while it just sitting in my pocket.
 
I had the shields fall out of two knives, a Queen and a Case. I replaced both with wood. Cedar on the yellow handled case and Osage orange on the Queen. I like the Queen a lot better now.

Philip
 
knifeaholic said:
When I look at Case knives specifically, they started gluing on the shields some time in 1978 though it took awhile for the changeover - I have owned and observed thousands of Case pocket knives made from 1979-1984 with the glued shields and it is very rare to see even one with a missing shield from that era, even on well used knives.

However, if you look at Case pocket knives from about 1986 to the present day, missing shields are very common even to the point of the shield dropping out while the knife is still new and never unwrapped.

I wonder what has changed.
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Steve, you're touching on something I've wondered about the history of Case knives for some time. It appears to me that Case has had a history of vital knowledge and processes being held by only one or two guys at any one point -- knowledge which Case has historically been very slack about making sure it gets preserved and passed on - when these guys are gone, the knowledge is lost too (and strangely, very little if any effort seems to be made to reacquire this knowledge). I point to the secret of dyeing the old Case Tested era greenbone, then the secret of dyeing the true Case XX era redbone (the greenbone and redbone eras each being about the working career of one guy at Case in the old days), then apparently competent processes to glue the shields on (a short time in comparison, but things were changing rapidly at Case in those years - personnel were probably changing more quickly as well). It's just a thought.
 
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