What's the consensus on Jeep Wranglers?

I had an '88, bought it new...in fact, I got it right after Chrysler bought out AMC. Still remember parts and the keys being marked "AMC." Drove it many miles off road...mostly desert. Old Willies and CJ owners would scoff at the Wrangler, but when they drove it themselves, they were impressed with the handling. It could go just about anywhere.

Put a lot of time on the highway too, which was torture without an adjustable seat or cruise control. Gas mileage was awful.

I enjoyed the Wrangler thoroughly, but it reached a point at 75K miles that things started to fall apart, even though I followed the regular maintenance schedule to a "T." Even when it was new, I spent a lot time at the dealer getting various things repaired.

In summary, no regrets! Wish I still had it--along with extra cash to maintain it!
 
I have a 2011. I like it. Just wish I had money to drop into it. It doesn't get the best gas mileage or drive the best on the highway, but I knew that before I bought it.
 
Put a lot of time on the highway too, which was torture without an adjustable seat or cruise control. Gas mileage was awful.

I enjoyed the Wrangler thoroughly, but it reached a point at 75K miles that things started to fall apart, even though I followed the regular maintenance schedule to a "T." Even when it was new, I spent a lot time at the dealer getting various things repaired.

In summary, no regrets! Wish I still had it--along with extra cash to maintain it!

I think that's the Jeep owner in a nutshell, right there. :D
 
We had a 1980 Toyota Landcruiser old Jeep CJ style LOVED it but totally impractical, I feel the same way about all Jeeps. LOVE 'Em! Totally impractical seating and storage though. If you can live with that the new stretched Jeeps are awesome looking vehicles. We looked at Grand Cherokees and Ford Explorers and ended up with a V6 Toyota Highlander. USA made, Troublefree and totally surefooted in the winter! Tons of storage and 19MPG.

Those were our three favorite SUVs, we had also test driven, checked out a Lexus 350 (same as the Highlander), Acura MDX (way too cramped), MBenz Gl (nice but pricey), Land Rover (totally pimp but out of price range), Audi Q5 and Q7 (nice but bad crash and reliability ratings) and BMW X5 (same as the Audi). We chose the Highlander for its reliability and crash ratings in the end. It's quick with 270HP.
 
If you are seriously looking for something that is going to get good fuel economy in the city while maintenance costs and fuel mileage is good I would seriously consider a front wheel drive compact car and budget for a set of winter tires/wheels.

If you are set on something four wheel drive or all wheel drive you will need nothing other than a subaru to traverse the urban winter (sometimes they are even better in the rural winter) symmetrical awd is a beautiful thing, especially with the proper tires.
 
I had a TJ that just ran and ran. Bought a 2010 JK and had it in the shop more than I had it on the road. The dealership I bought it from was very good to me and finally took it back under lemon laws! My friends who have the JK have never had much for problems, I just got unlucky. I believe that can happen with any car!

Here is mine getting worked on while off roading in Uwharrie last year!

fire 004 by http://www.flickr.com/people/57703464@N02/, on Flickr
 
i'm looking into getting a small truck or SUV, primarily to help me deal w/ poor weather and have some storage capacity (i currently drive a sports car).

due to parking, maneuverability, and size constraints of the city, i'm leaning away from a truck.

how is the reputations of Jeep, particularly the Wrangler? High maintenance or low? Would anyone with experience say that the vehicle is affordable in terms of total cost of ownership (insurance, fuel economy, tires, maintenance)?
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Oooh, Ooooh, I can actually be a help to someone on Blade forums!!!

I've been in the automobile business for over 21 years. Sales mgr at a Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep dealership for a while. Anyway, I know what I am talking about. Really.

I love Wranglers. New ones are even better....but. You don't want one for your only vehicle. You'll get tired of the ride, noise, lack of space and the lack of reliability. If you go into it knowing that then I say go ahead. But for a daily driver there are a whole lot of better choices. But, as I said, if you know what you are getting into, then.....If you live in a semi-temprent climate then they are great as a convertible. Heck, get a bikini top and drive in the rain and leave the top off when it's raining.

But, no. Heck, I love 'em! But, no.

Buy a 4-runner. Or fj-cruiser. Or buy an older Jeep and something more practical, comfortable and reliable for your daily driver. But DO NOT buy a Wrangler for your only vehicle. Unless you REALLY(don't do it) want to.
 
i would get something more sensible. since you have a sports car i would assume the fun factor is covered. i would look at a subaru, i have a legacy and i love mine.
 
If you drive a sports car already, you are probably willing to accept a bit of impracticality. I'm not a huge fan of Wranglers, personally, but I built a 2001 TJ as a birthday present for my mother (she loves them, and had one years ago). I've driven it many times, and I don't agree at all with what some are saying about them being something you shouldn't own as your daily driver. I know many people who do, and are perfectly happy about it. That being said, a Subaru of any model would make a more ideal vehicle if you are concerned about comfort, high speed stability, fuel economy, and NVH levels. I'll outline my observations about them (the 2.5 liter model, anyway), for what it's worth to you.

Don't concern yourself with the horror stories of the "death wobble". It's a term coined by those who don't know how to change a steering stabilizer. Just keep in mind that the steering stabilizer in these vehicles plays a much larger role in vehicle stability than it does in most others.

Reliability is good. Very little has gone wrong with this example in 10+ years of ownership, in fact less than in most other vehicles I've dealt with. The engine is on 105k miles now, and still uses no oil between changes. There are a couple of things that this engine is notorious for. The first is a lot of lifter noise, especially when the engine is cold. This isn't a big deal, and generally doesn't cause problems. The other is that the exhaust manifold studs (primarily the rearmost one, and most difficult to reach) are prone to breaking. This is another matter that isn't going to cause mechanical problems, but is quite a pain to fix and makes an irritating noise. Ease of maintenance is less than stellar. The engineers who designed it weren't particularly concerned with making the downrange mechanic's job easier.

The short wheelbase of these vehicles makes them less stable than others at higher speeds and on icy roads. I can say, however, that upgrading to slightly larger/severe service rated tires and better dampers helps improve both of these characteristics noticeably. Ride quality is not good, but it's not as nightmarish as some suggest, and certainly livable. Ride control is poor from the factory, but upgraded dampers improve it dramatically. The poor drag coefficient and tall outline contribute to both poor fuel mileage (about 18-19 MPG) and a high susceptibility to crosswinds. These are noisy vehicles, as well, but what you've heard about them being cold in the winter is false. The heater is quite good, the windows never frost/fog, and I stay as comfortable driving the Wrangler in the northern Wisconsin winters as I do driving my Camry.

Interior trim quality isn't very good, but you probably already suspected that. Chrysler electrical components are of poor quality (I've had to replace the fan speed switch twice, as the contacts wear out rapidly). I removed the rear bench seat from this example, and it makes a nicely sized flat load space in the back. The factory seats aren't especially good, either.

The top takes 3-5 minutes to put up or take down, but it's worth it. I've never driven any convertible that is as enjoyable with the top down in summertime as this one is. The headlights are excellent, too.

Fuel costs: higher than most.
Maintenance costs: low.
Tire costs: vary widely, mine were around $150 each (General Grabber AT/2)
Insurance costs: I pay $56 a month for full-coverage (Liability, Collision, Comprehensive, with deductibles of $250 for collision and $0 for comp)

Those are all of the major high and low points. I hope this helps in your decision. Take care.
 
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I was a MacGyver fan, bought a SAK Tinker and a 95 Jeep as soon as I could afford them. I still have my Tinker in awesome condition after so many years of use; I can't say the same for the Jeep. I got rid of mine after 3 years for many not so positive reasons. Yet, I sometimes tell myself, dang I wish I kept that car.... then, I immediately slap myself and return to reality. I don't think you need Wrangler for on-road daily ride. As much as I like the car and love to rent one whenever possible; I don't think I'd like to own one.
 
BDT-E Comparing an older 4L jeep to the new 3.6 ones is apples to oranges. the old inlines would run forever, I worked on several that ticked away at 350000+km (the body and chassis were pretty well gone) they were all oily, smokey and rough, but would just keep running, abuse or neglect be dammed. I always found it easy to work on the Tjs and Xjs, (unless they were so lifted I needed a ladder to get up under them!) I'll agree that we got lots of complaints about electrics (but we didn't fix anything besides bulbs, so no idea how tough that stuff is to fix) but the old 4L was as bullet-proof as an engine can be.
As for winter driving, I've only heard complaints on the de-froster department from drivers of new design wranglers that lived in southern alberta. So that's all I know. Maybe the older ones had beefier heater cores? maybe its a subtle design change.
Again, comparing the old ones to the new ones doesn't provide much data. The wranglers are great vehicles, and the Unlimited edition wrangler is IMHO the best equipped off-road vehicle from any manufacturer in north america, off the showroom floor. That said, everyone I know that owned one, or every driver I talked to about them recognized that despite all the good things, they had some very severe limits. There are better snow capable daily drivers.
 
Where hard work and reliability are a major factor- Jeeps are not to be seen.
Not since the IIWW.
Many other better made, more reliable, cheaper to run, more fun to drive, less hassle to own options.
 
First, the OP never specified what year Wrangler he was interested in, so I've made no comparison at all. Second, I never referred to the 4.0 liter engine. Third, I don't believe that I ever said that it's the best vehicle for winter mobility, or that it doesn't have drawbacks. I didn't suggest that the OP should or should not buy one, I only gave him honest, accurate, and unbiased answers to his questions.
 
I love the wranglers and Cherokee jeeps. For you though it sounds like the Cherokee would be better for you if your in the city. The Wrangler is fine as a road vehicle, but dominates off road as it was made for that. The new supercharged Cherokees look and perform extremely well. My neighbor has the Cherokee and that is my experience with that, very good driver and will have plenty of room. Since your used to a sports car the lower riding and faster Cherokee would be better in my opinion.
 
I've owned Wrangler and Grand Cherokee both. Currently have a 08 Wrangler Unlimited. The 2 are very different vehicles. Since this is a knife forum... Grand Cherokee is like a large Sebenza - tough but it has a refined feel. Wrangler is a Medford. Much more raw. Both are nice but they are different. Wrangler has had a few more maintenance problems than the GC, but neither were at all problematic (say like compared to my Land Rover). Service is available and relatively inexpensive for the Wrangler. It's easier to pimp a Wrangler if you want to personalize. So, it's like knives. It just depends on what you want. For me, I doubt I will ever buy another GC but I can't imagine not having a Wrangler.
 
I have a 99 Cherokee and it is nice, just a couple things to keep in mind. The newest one made is over 10 years old now so condition is important. Mine I think is pretty good but I still just had to do a major brake overhaul on it. They are *not* quiet or comfortable. Leaf springs are crap and wear out stupid fast - mine need replaced badly at only 90k miles. Grands have a better rear suspension with coils. The 4.0 is a beast but cooling system is marginal, and 2000/2001 had issues with the head castings. Don't necessarily write off one of those years in good condition but be aware that replacing the head may be necessary. AWD was available, but most had the part time only NP231 transfer case. Finally steering stabilizer is not the fix for death wobble, it's a band aid. You should be able to drive on highway without it at all if everything else in good shape.

On the upside, it is a little tank and handles surprisingly well for a crude live front axle vehicle.
 
i'm loving this thread.

you guys are all awesome for your input and experience.

i def. would be making poor, off-the-cuff, choices w/o your valuable expertise. thank you again -- it gives me a lot to think about. from a lot of what i'm reading, it seems like jeeps are a lot of fun but probably not going to be practical for me.

i live in the city and will spend 95% of driving in the city. i do love to get out to the outdoors (maine and new hampshire), but not enough to warrant the purchase a vehicle that is outdoors specific. i also have to deal w/e New England winters, but as many of you mentioned, there are other vehicles better equipped for that.

this would have to be my daily driver. i could actually afford a second vehicle, but parking it in the city is the real problem.

gas mileage is a huge concern, but on the other hand, i do offset it quite a bit my commuting on a motorbike or bicycle. these days, inclimate weather has put me back in a drivers seat.

but i'll keep thinking about it and will be taking all of your advice into account. thank you much BF!
 
I've got a 2010 Wrangler, it's my second Wrangler. I owned a 2004 before this one and had to sell it because my wife was using it to shuttle kids around and it just wasn't working out.
I always promised myself that I'd get another one and so I did. There's just something fun about driving in a corn field to get to your favorite hunting spot or being the only vehicle out during a snow storm.

I'm very happy with it. But as a few have mentioned it's not a good primary vehicle unless your trips are short. But driving it around town is actually fun especially in the summer with the top folded back or completely off.

Mine has 25K miles on it and has only been back once for warranty work ( the paint on the door hinges started to bubble up). No mechanical issues.

The one thing I don't think was mentioned is the resale value is quite high on these, so if it doesn't work out , you can sell it pretty quickly without too much loss.

 
I really would avoid it unless you are buying it as a primarily off road vehicle. The 6cyl versions can have upgraded suspension and not be too bad on road, but the stock 4cyl jeeps are terrible over 55mph. I wouldn't even want to imagine driving them on a freeway.

As a daily driver, no way! You sound like you're wanting a Ford Escape or something similarly equipped - a Jeep is for someone that lives in a rural area with low speed limits and lots of trails. I would never advise owning one as a primary vehicle. It's even worse if you need to ride passengers in the back.

They also have some problems on the trails. For the most part they're mountain goats, going where no man has a reason to go; however the limited slip differential will sometimes put you in a situation where even in 4WD the only wheels that are spinning are the wheels that aren't touching the ground. I live in rural Mountain area of Eastern KY, and a lot of people have Wranglers for off road driving. They are torture on the highway, and the weak 4cyl engine runs at a ridiculously high RPM at speed on the highway. Those same shortfalls are all advantages when you need a stiff suspension and torque to creep around on rutted mountain trails.

We've also knocked the transfer case loose hitting a stick and were forced to walk out of a remote mountain trail in the AM hours. Not really applicable, but could be a valuable piece of information (it was easy to re engage the transfer case in the daylight, and the problem could have been fixed and saved us a 5 mile trek in the dark if we would have diagnosed the problem at the time and attempted the easy fix).

I have never ridden in the souped up 6cyl Sahara models like the first responder has pictured. Could be an entirely different experience (they cost like twice as much a used base model 4cyl though). Just include an extended ride on the freeway during any test drive to make sure you can handle the ridiculously uncomfortable ride before committing to a purchase.
 
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