What's the deal...can't get my damascus dark

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Using a well known supplier of damascus steel. Normal ht, temper, etc and it just comes out blah....mixture of gray, dark gray and the nickel streaks through it. I am etching with 50/50 Radio Shack and vinegar. The steel is advertised as 52100, 5160, 15N20 and 203E. All other damascus I have used has come out darker....

suggestions?
 
I've used the steel in question. I switched to straight muratic acid for this stuff and got a lot better results.
Chad
 
From what I have read, 52100 and 5160 tend to etch gray anyway.
 
I etched a blade today and discovered a scratch!!! Now this will have to wait until MORE sanding is done. But I had planned on next heating it with a hairdryer to a very warm and then cold bluing it to get it "almost black" as I believe I read in Jim Hrisolas' book. Anyone ever try this?

Brad
 
I etched a blade today and discovered a scratch!!! Now this will have to wait until MORE sanding is done. But I had planned on next heating it with a hairdryer to a very warm and then cold bluing it to get it "almost black" as I believe I read in Jim Hrisolas' book. Anyone ever try this?
Brad

You might want to check out this work in progress thread, http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596147 by Jim Viall (ib2v4u). There is a lot about how he worked out using blueing on an etched damascus blade.
 
Tried Muratic acid and all it did was fog up my shop and leave the blade "light white and dark white". Not dark at all...worse than radio shack etchant. complete and utter failure.

I am at a loss....none of my other damascus ever turned out this light, and the company does not list a phone number on their website. Rethinking my purchase of this steel....
 
I just got done doing some Brad Vice damascus in 50/50 radio shack etchant and distilled water. I soaked it for almost 20 minutes and it came out black as the ace of spades. I hit the high spots with 2000 grit paper and made it pop. I was pretty impressed.
 
First thing I'm curious about is how long you etched it in Ferric (i.e. "Radio Shack etchant")? In my first attempts at etching damascus, I was very tentative... doing ten second dips at first... then full minute dips... then three minute dips. What I ended up with looked etched, but it was very superficial. Only when I allowed the piece to sit in the Ferric for an hour did I get the textured result I wanted.

Second question I have is do you have any scrap pieces from the billet that you cut away? If you retained those you can use them for etch testing and not risk any futher testing on the blade itself until you know the results. I recently did this and left sample pieces in seperate etch vials (pill vials filled with Ferric) for 1 hour, 4 hours and overnight. The results determined how I wanted to do the actual etch on the real blade.

The last thing is the metal types, and this is where I'm totally ignorant. My assumption is that different steels etch in different ways (and at different speeds, possibly with different etchants). So far the only combination I've tried is 1084/15N20, and ferric works fine on that. My next project will be done on 1075/15N20, and because that is a different steel type I'll do the same sort of three vial testing on that to make sure I know what I'm doing before I etch the real blade. But if someone could simply tell us what to expect when etching different steels, that would also be useful in setting our expectations.

What you're working with includes some hypereutectoid steels, and I would expect they react differently... but just how differently I wouldn't know.

- Greg
 
I leave my steel in the tank 20 minutes. It comes out black, but when you wash it down and neutralize the acid, the black (carbon) comes off, as expected, and you got your gray and light gray streaks.

Also having problems with light colored areas, which might indicate it got too hot in that spot. Not happy at all.
 
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