whats the mora allure

Well I caved I just ordered 2 moras both clippers one stainless and 1 carbon,
Dark lights set up above looks real nice a clipper and a sak....would most of youguys feel comfortable in the bush with that (and also a small axe) as your only bladed implements? also Skunkwerx how'd you blacken your blades like that?? and where are you guys getting all the awesome kydex sheaths?
 
The mora is a good, cheap knife that I don't mind loaning, beating on or losing. Pictures alway help.
 
Well I caved I just ordered 2 moras both clippers one stainless and 1 carbon,
Dark lights set up above looks real nice a clipper and a sak....would most of youguys feel comfortable in the bush with that (and also a small axe) as your only bladed implements? also Skunkwerx how'd you blacken your blades like that?? and where are you guys getting all the awesome kydex sheaths?

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As a matter of fact a paring knife and a butcher knife would not be a bad choice to carry into the woods. Deisel knives are almost worthless IMO, everyone talks about chopping but just how much chopping do you do, I don't do much.

Chris, this is a good point. I don't chop much either. Firewood/Campwood is 95% of the time deadfall. Most the time we break it off by standing/jumping on it. If it can be picked up, stick it in the fork of a tree and snap it off horizontally. if it can be dragged or carried, we just feed it in, over the course of the burn.

I think the chopping issue mostly comes into play in a survival setting.
Building a shelter, etc.
And, I'm sure that some people like to chop, well, just because they like to chop. ;)

When we go camping, formally, as a group, we bring some big logs and a maul. We could just as easily bring split wood, but we brought logs once, and marvelled at the people who gravitate to the maul and just wanna give those logs a good smack. :D So it became a tradition, people just like to chop wood, it's probably in our DNA from the last half-million years. :thumbup:

back on topic, I think a Mora, an SAK and hachet/chopper is a fine combo.
I could get along just fine with that. And look at the economy of it?
 
A while back when I first arrived in Brazil I did a good bit of exploring and T&E of gear in prep for launching my wilderness class. I tried many knives from my collection looking for what would work best. With a solid experience base of what worked for me as soon as I got back to the States I ordered a few other knives for more T&E intending to buy five copies of the selected blade to use as loaners.

I don´t think my first Mora order was at the house for more than an hour before I ordered a few more of the SWAK model. Since then several people have donated other knives to my class to get me up and running, most of them Moras of one type or another.

Now everyone gets a Mora SWAK with a BSA hotspark on the wrist lanyard and either a 16 or 14 inch Tramontina. That is a great pair of blades that covers almost everything you´d want to do in the highlands of Central Brazil. I can afford to buy, loan, and replace as needed. I have had several students ask me to bring stuff back from the States for them, universally they want a personal Mora. Ferro anything is also a popular request as we can´t get that here either.

I (also) have reservations about the guardless models especially because I tend to hand them out to people who are total novices. We are a long way from medical care out there and I don´t want to see someone messed up. If that is a problem for you then you can order essentially the same #1 style blade with a guard.

Like someone said, it will cost you $10 plus shipping to find out what the deal is with these knives. The downside is that you may see your more expensive blades guarding the sock drawer waiting your return from the bush. Mac
 
Once in a while in our lives, something will come along that is so practical, well made and low priced that it would make no sense NOT to buy it. In the 1960's the VW bug was the best selling car in the U.S. They were everywhere, and were so because people found them to be reliable, rugged, economical, and got them around just fine. Bic stick pens became popular for the same reason, cheap, wrote well, just like the Bic lighter works so good..

Mora knives are the same. Here you have a item that does just what it's supposed to, is low cost so you can buy a couple at a time, rugged construction that is sturdier than you think, and cuts as well if not better than some high dollar knives. These days my only fixed blade knives are moras exept for my old Buck Woodsman.

Once upon a time I was very guilty of being a knife snob. Going hiking or backpacking I would at least have my Randall model 14, if not something better. For a while I had a nice colection of custom forged blades by some of the A.B.S. masters like Jay Hendrickson, Don Hastings. Then came the awakening.

I had to ship something and I boxed it up and after making some cuts in the packing tape with the strands running through it, my super A.B.S. knife was dull. I mean that tape took the edge right off the 600 dollar blade. So I did some experimenting on hemp rope, cardboard, packing tape. The super hand forged knives did not cut any better than some very mundane factory knives, and in a couple of eye openers not as well! The carbon laminated mora from Frosts cut as well as some of the 500-700 dollar blades from smiths that the knife magazines put on pedistals.

I boxed up every single one of those handmade custom knives and shipped them off the A.G. Russell to be sold off. Never looked back, and never missed them. Looking back I realized that I never used them for anything that a 10 dollar mora would not do as well, and in a couple cases, better. It was all about the snob appeal of having a 700 dollar Bagwell bowie on my belt camping, when it was not only not nesseary, but not even capable of living up to it's hype.

For the past twenty years my camping and woods knives have been a couple of good pocket knives, a mora, and an Ontario 12 inch machete.

Alot of people talk about chopping, most likely because the knife magazines writen with selling for their advertisers push it. In reality, you don't have to chop large trees. A shelter can be made with brush and saplings an inch in diameter, certainly not more than 2 inch. Heck, a saw blade on a sak can do that, let alone a mora that notches the ring around the tree trunk and snap it off. Forthought and techique is always better than brute force and depending on having a big tool along.

A mora is for people who don't read Soldier of Fortune to be ready to combat hordes of chinese paratroopers, but just want a damm good knife for camp and trail use in the real world.
 
I ordered a stainless and a carbo clipper are these good choices??? is the stainless hard to sharpen? Has anyone snapped a blade?
 
I ordered a stainless and a carbo clipper are these good choices??? is the stainless hard to sharpen? Has anyone snapped a blade?


Very good choices.

No, the stainless is not hard to sharpen. I believe it is 12C27 stainless, and IMHO one of the better stainless steels. It won't hold it's edge compared to say VG-10, but a good all around steel none the less.

No, I have never snapped a Mora blade ever. I do use my knives to split kindling every once in a while, but on clear, dry wood. I reserve my axe, or hatchet for the rest.
 
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In case anyone is curious, here is a cut-away of a Mora Clipper. Even with those sharp Scandi knives, you still generally get what you pay for. There are better Mora's out there than the Clipper. Though the handle is ergonomic, I wouldn't trust my life to it's construction, let alone spend good money on a kydex sheath for it.

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how would they function on small game as a skinner

To me skinning comes down to technique. Admittedly the "scandi" blade IMO is not the best for skinning, field dressing game. However I have used my 510 on 100s of fish and small bird. Again, when it comes to skinning it really is more technique than blade shape.
 
tarmix- Thats a very nice effective Nessmuk trio plus one you have there. Should do well in any circumstance. Mr. Sears would be proud of it!:thumbup:

Riley- I snapped a blade on a mora when I first got into them, on purpase. It seemed a bit thin so I put it in a vise and pulled. Then I pulled harder. Then I put both hands on the handle and pulled realy hard. After the blade flexed to about 45 degrees it snapped off clean at the vise jaws, leaving about half the blade. I can't see how you will run into anything in the woods that will break a mora unless the woods trolls left a vise secured to a stump with a sign "Insert mora here and tighten".

They will skin and clean anything you catch from pan fish to deer. If its too big for a pocket knife, and too small for a hatchet or machete, a mora will work just fine. :thumbup:
 
you guys have so many good things to say i had to check ragnar's catalog and man there are a ton of models listed. i want the double orange 760 but i figure i'll order a couple others while i'm there. anyone have anything to say about the triflex models? there don't seem to be any double orange carbon steel blades, only stainless. any other suggestions?

edit: just noticed the recent thread on triflex. looks pretty good. still open to suggestions.
 
Moras are effective knives used by working people all over the world. The are inexpensive, light, sharp, good ergonomics, and they work.

There is a school of survival and bushcraft that says you need to go out with some sort of short sword to be safe in the woods. That is a lot of BS, IMHO. If you are in the jungle, a machete makes a lot of sense. Hunters have a need for butchering tools. Other than that, if you are on foot and in the north temperate forests, a mora and an SAK will take care of your needs well. I do carry a wire saw, but mostly because they are light, cheap, and take so little room in my PSK.

First misconception: you should fear nature. That's a bunch of hooey dating back to the Pilgrims. We are modern people and should be free of such superstitions. We should understand natural forces and be prepared to deal with them. The equipment is inexpensive and the knowledge is easily accessed.

Scenario one: You head out in the woods and you get yourself lost. First of all, you shouldn't let that happen. We have the best maps ever created and good compasses are as cheap as they ever have been. You can buy a very effective GPS with all of North America mapped on it for $79. You can learn to triangulate with a compass in an afternoon. So, you managed to bypass all that and you got yourself lost. In following your backup plan, you left your destination and a deadline with a trusted friend or family member. You might have checked in with a local ranger station too. So you plunk your butt down, reach into your pack, pull out you essentials and get comfortable until your backup plan kicks in an they come looking for you. You have at least minimal shelter, extra food, water, firestarting materials and signalling devices. In any kind of forest you can gather enough firewood to keep you warm. You don't even need a knife in this scenario, but an SAK would be plenty and a mora would be more than enough-- you could cut small branches to break off.


Second scenario: you aren't lost, but you fall and injure yourself. All the backups and preparation from scenario two kick in. You may not be able to stand or walk, so I don't know what a big knife is going to do for you. If you can walk, you aren't injured that bad and it's time to go home. You go to your essentials and get comfy and wait for the backup plan to kick in. If you are really tough and a short distance, you migh be able to crawl to a main trial crossroads or trailhead. Good luck.

Scenario three: you lose your gear crossing a stream, a bear hauls it off, or a two legged snake steals it. Now you're in deep doo-doo. You still have you backup plan. You are healthy and uninjured. Hopefully you have the following goodies on your person: mora, SAK, compass, whistle, firestarter. If you did your homework, you know where you are, so the compass is just good backup. There are few places in the continental US where you are going to be more than three days out. You lost your gear, so you sure don't have much load. You can cover 40+ miles per day with no load and in reasonable shape. So you might have to spend a night or two in the woods. You build a shelter appropriate to the weather and make it through a cold night or two. You can get by without food for a couple days, but you might find berries in season and your small knives will clean any game you might club or spear with a stick. You can certainly build a fire and stay warm. You're going to have to risk drinking water without treatment, but all the big knives in the world aren't going to change that. In fact, if you are that far out in the weeds, the chances of the water being bad are small. If you are out on a long trail like the Pacific Crest Trail, you are going to run into someone in a couple days anyway and a coule days travel on most sections would bring you to a point where you could get help anyway.

So, the only real benefit to having a big knife, hatchet or machete, would be to build a shelter and chop more firewood for one or two nights-- if you are healthy enough to be able to weild one. IMHO, you would be be better off to carry an equivalent weight of survival gear rather than a big knife. Being isolated from your gear is the worst scenario, so what you carry on your person is what you will really need. A wire saw in that kit will build your short term shelters just fine.

And, there's one other thing about the big knife idea that wrankles me. We need to go out and enjoy the wilds without tearing it up. Leave no trace is the way to go. You need to take your own shelter and use a stove. Campfires are fun, but they need to be restricted to high-use campgrounds where they are safe and the mess can be managed. A folding saw is a good compromise, safer to use, and is still lighter and much more expensive than a big Rambo blade.

So with all that in mind, not only is a mora a useable tool, but it is the best alternative-- you can afford to have one in all your survival kits and it is a very reasonable tool for its weight while hiking.

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In case anyone is curious, here is a cut-away of a Mora Clipper. Even with those sharp Scandi knives, you still generally get what you pay for. There are better Mora's out there than the Clipper. Though the handle is ergonomic, I wouldn't trust my life to it's construction, let alone spend good money on a kydex sheath for it.

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I beg to differ.

I believe you get far more than you pay for with a Mora type of knife.
What can you buy in the $10 to $15 range that is anywhere near comparable?
A 'Chinese' knife? pahleeze.

-I don't believe anyone has given the Clipper the honor of "best Mora" ,it just happens to be a readily available, popular model at one of the best price points.

-The fact that they are sharp means you should never have to bear down on them so hard to break them, or loosen their handles, that would be unsafe and wreckless.

-The kydex sheaths are much more ergonomic and allow for various means of carry, secure the knife itself much better than those provided, thereby making them certainly safer.

Riley, it is not how HARD they are to sharpen, it's how EASY they are to sharpen. :thumbup: No problems, they sharpen up quickly to a very keen edge.
 
Dale, that was a wonderfull thought out, logical soapbox speach. You hit the proper nails right on the heads.

Thank you!:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
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