When are LEOs legally allowed to search you?????

[Chris Meyer]

Steve, has it ever occured to you that you should be polite to everyone? You should, at least until they give you a real reason not to. I guess you never learned the golden rule; "Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you." It's never too late to learn, and you might find that it helps with your attitude problem.

 

[Live2cut]

Great job Chris! I would like to add my .02 from my 16+ years. When you are stopped by a LEO there is a reason! Most of the time a LEO knows the answers to some of the questions you are being asked, when you answer wrong there is a flag. Too many flags and that is when you run into problems with LEO's. If you have an attitude with the LEO chances are you are going to get one back. Let me explain it like an attorney explained it to me when I was green. The attorney held up a sheet of paper and asked what color it was and I said white. He said what if I told you it was green. I said well you are wrong. He then turned the paper to show the side he was looking at and it was green. The point is STEVE when you are minding your own business and the LEO is looking for someone that matches your discription and vehicle the LEO is doing his/her JOB. You may know you are not the person but until the LEO stops/talks to you the LEO doesn't. And I will add that I have arrested a lot of people when I was looking for someone else.

 

[tom19176]

Steve, I must agree with the other LEOs here. If you are stopped by an officer there is a reason. You may not have done anything wrong, but there was a reason you were stopped. You may fit a desciption of a perp, or you may be acting in a manner that has attacted the attention of the officer, or you maybe (unknowningly) in a drug prone location. The officer maybe looking to merely engage you in conversation to get a sense of what you are up to. If you act rudely or in a defensive manner than you will create a situation that can escalte into something it would have never become. There are officers who will look to give you an attitude back, but they are few, and in today's world, very few. Things have changed for the better in both training and professionalism on the part of LEOs. Treat everyone with the respect you would want given to you.

 

[shao.fu.tzer]

I still maintain that the cops can do anything they want to you. Anything else is balony or wishful thinking.

If I am lawfully or unlawfully stopped where is it written that I have to be polite and kiss the cops *ss? That is a common saying by sheeple who are precisely afraid of what the cop will do to them if they don't grovel to the omnipotent LOE. I am not advocating cursing the cop out at all. I am adament about speaking my mind and treating the cop like I would anyone else. Is there any doubt in anyones mind that treating the cop like anyone else will get you treated in an unfair manner? Then you say the only option is to grovel and be afraid because the cop can in fact do anything to you and then cover up his actions. The blue wall will back him up.

I agree with you, brother. Growing up as the only Chinese kid in a mostly white and Hispanic neighborhood, it seems like I could barely leave the house without being stopped on the street and frisked. Seriously, I've been frisked more times than I can remember, and I've never been arrested! I never hung out with an unsavory element, or wore baggy clothing, or had a weird haircut. I was CHINESE. That was my sin. I've heard the whole gamut of racial slurs from police in at least 6 different jurisdictions. How can I match the description of a perp when I'm the ONLY CHINESE KID IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD?

Anyway, I've lost two knives that way. The cops just took them. I couldn't complain about the first one because I was young. The second was taken from me when I was 24 years old! I ran after the cop car after I realized he never gave my knife back, and then proceeded to file a complaint when I got home. They basically gave me the runaround so I gave up (it was a $25 Buck beater). Seriously though, whenever I'm with a white friend, I feel safe from the police because nothing ever happens. White people are like my cloak of invisibility. It's like I live in a prison even though I'm free. How many people feel me on this one?

Shao

 

[shao.fu.tzer]

Oh yeah and speaking of Terry frisking, about 1 in 4 policemen spend a *little* too much time frisking the groin and buttock area if you know what I mean. Makes me wonder what their motivation for stopping me was in the first place.

Shao

 

[cavetech]

I agree with you, brother. Growing up as the only Chinese kid in a mostly white and Hispanic neighborhood, it seems like I could barely leave the house without being stopped on the street and frisked. Seriously, I've been frisked more times than I can remember, and I've never been arrested! I never hung out with an unsavory element, or wore baggy clothing, or had a weird haircut. I was CHINESE. That was my sin. I've heard the whole gamut of racial slurs from police in at least 6 different jurisdictions. How can I match the description of a perp when I'm the ONLY CHINESE KID IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD?

Anyway, I've lost two knives that way. The cops just took them. I couldn't complain about the first one because I was young. The second was taken from me when I was 24 years old! I ran after the cop car after I realized he never gave my knife back, and then proceeded to file a complaint when I got home. They basically gave me the runaround so I gave up (it was a $25 Buck beater). Seriously though, whenever I'm with a white friend, I feel safe from the police because nothing ever happens. White people are like my cloak of invisibility. It's like I live in a prison even though I'm free. How many people feel me on this one?

Shao

Shao:

I am so sorry this happened to you. Unfair, not right is an understatement. I am what is commonly called a WASP. I am embarresed by what cops have wrongfully done to you.

During my 20 years in the detective business (licensed private) I had many a cop blow my surveillance on purpose. I've been surrounded by stinking cops with their guns drawn at me even though I checked in with their holy rinky dink local police department and told them where I would be and the van I would be in. One flinch on a trigger by one rookie and I would have been shot.

Cops rule and have complete power. Anyone that thinks differently has their head in the sand. Any cop that says it isn't so is covering up for his blue brothers.

 

[Chris Meyer]

The B.S. from the anti-Police crowd is getting to deep for me :jerkit: so after this post I will not waste any more time responding to dubious claims and inflammatory statements. The problem with a certain few seems to be a twist on the old chicken vs. egg argument; "which came first, the chip on the shoulder, or the problems with the Police?" I'm sure I know which is the answer...

FliGuyRyan, if you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

 

[shootist16]

Cops rule and have complete power.

Then why do I always feel so powerless when I'm at work? Anyway I think we have pretty much covered the topic and covered it well. I am going to close this thread before we digress any further.