When did "indestructible" become the main selling point...

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When did "indestructible" become the main selling point of a knife? I often see "toughest knife", etc., in posts here, but I rarely see "how well does it CUT or SLICE". I also see it as a huge selling point for some companies. I should be a bit more clear. It seems that if a knife is on the longer side, people always want to know if it can chop. When and why is this so important in a knife to people. I have never had the NEED to use a knife for chopping a tree down.

Please keep in mind this is just a question. I'm not trying to start an argument. I like a tough knife, too.
 
Me either, but it sure is fun! Great stress reliever too I might add :D

Agreed!:D Still, the fact remains; I've never NEEDED to do it. It's nice to know that I can if NEED be, but if the possibility of getting into trouble is there, I usually bring a folding saw.
 
In many cases the toughest knives for use are also the toughest knives to EDC. Not always but often.

Great post.
 
Agreed!:D Still, the fact remains; I've never NEEDED to do it. It's nice to know that I can if NEED be, but if the possibility of getting into trouble is there, I usually bring a folding saw.
I gots me a pack that goes wherever I go and it has a saw, lots of small knives, medium knives, and big knives, so your logic fails against me :p:thumbup: Oh and I also try and grab the ontario machete out of the car if I can remember to :D
 
Because it will have a good chance that it will last for a very long time doing normal stuff?
How could indestructible be a bad thing?
 
When did "indestructible" become the main selling point of a knife? I often see "toughest knife", etc., in posts here, but I rarely see "how well does it CUT or SLICE". I also see it as a huge selling point for some companies. I should be a bit more clear. It seems that if a knife is on the longer side, people always want to know if it can chop. When and why is this so important in a knife to people. I have never had the NEED to use a knife for chopping a tree down.

Please keep in mind this is just a question. I'm not trying to start an argument. I like a tough knife, too.

Depends on how many knives someone has broken over the years I think.

Some my age and older remember the garbage that was being made and sold back before the Mid 80's. Not all was bad, but almost all of it was.

Other than Custom it was pretty hard to really get a good quality knife, not like today at all.

Most gas station and flea market knives today are better than most knives made back then, especially folders.

We have come a long way since then knife wise.
 
I do remember the no-name folders that blew apart the moment they were used on anything tougher then packing tape. I had a SAK knock-off (I think the brand's still around) with a "Q" around a cross that popped its rivets the first time I used the screwdriver.

Personally, I think it was about the time people started snapping their really nice liner locks trying to use them for screwdrivers and prybars.
 
I wasn't aware that being indestructible was the main selling point for knives. I guess now I know. :D
 
In many cases the toughest knives for use are also the toughest knives to EDC. Not always but often.

Great post.

I think the point is they make really bad EDC or anything else knives. That sure has been my experiance with them. My tree choppers never see the light of day. In fact I've given all but one of mine away because they just don't make good knives.
 
FWIW, I have chopped plenty of trees down with knives, and not just for fun.
Indestructible knives definitely have their place. They are not the end-all, be-all of knifedom however. It is just a phase I think. The pendulum will swing the other way eventually. I think that has already started to happen.
 
Please make sure to read the original post before making silly comments that show you only read the thread title.:)
 
Please make sure to read the original post before making silly comments that show you only read the thread title.:)

Sorry, I did know about the rule that states all replies must answer all questions in a post, not just some of them. :D
 
Please make sure to read the original post before making silly comments that show you only read the thread title.:)

Like the wrapper leaf on a cigar, the title of a thread contributes 40% of the flavor.

Maybe it's time to pick better titles?
 
Those old Ginsu knife commercials probably planted the seed in many of our heads of knives being able to chop wood, cut nails, take blows from a hammer, yet cleanly slice tomatoes.
 
Unless you're slicing bread or cutting up a watermelon, there isn't a whole lot of non-chopping work around for a large knife to do. I know that I personally bought my machetes exclusively for doing chopping work. So as I see it, your second question can be stated as, "why are people concerned with the chopping ability of knives designed to chop?"
 
Unless you're slicing bread or cutting up a watermelon, there isn't a whole lot of non-chopping work around for a large knife to do. I know that I personally bought my machetes exclusively for doing chopping work. So as I see it, your second question can be stated as, "why are people concerned with the chopping ability of knives designed to chop?"

You could can see it that way, but I never mentioned "machetes". I meant "knives" in the 7-10 inch blade length. And, I'll repeat, I like tough knives too, but for some reason it seems like you're just trying to argue. I prefer to avoid that sort of thing. ;)
 
When did "indestructible" become the main selling point of a knife? I often see "toughest knife", etc., in posts here, but I rarely see "how well does it CUT or SLICE". I also see it as a huge selling point for some companies. I should be a bit more clear. It seems that if a knife is on the longer side, people always want to know if it can chop. When and why is this so important in a knife to people. I have never had the NEED to use a knife for chopping a tree down.

Please keep in mind this is just a question. I'm not trying to start an argument. I like a tough knife, too.

An interesting topic; here are my thoughts on the subject.

There are those that argue that "Form follows function"--but I would have to disagree. I believe that when one really critiques this concept, the word order of the apothegm needs to be re-arranged. Rather than "Form follows function", it should read "Function follows form".

Many people would argue that the idea of cutting (function) necessitates a particular design (form). Here, the argument, though logical, is based on a fallacy of causality: in effect, an object's form is what provides for it's function. This is an incorrect line of thought.

The concept of a wedge, a means for the application of a specific type of abscission, must necessarily presuppose the purpose to which that concept is applied.

The properties that allow for a knife to be good at slicing, also make it less ideal for being a screwdriver or a prybar--the thinning of the wedge makes it more idea for abscission, but also less ideal for the exertion of large amounts of force.

This is a problem that many of us knifenuts come across when loaning out knives to NKP. They use them for a purpose (function) for which the form of a knife is not suited.

In application to the OP's post, this concept is applied thus: the form of the knife is altered to better accommodate functions for which the form of the knife is not particularly suited. The property of "Indestructability" is reflected in the physical world by the addition of strength to an object; which, in a knife, correlates to an increase in material: just as a thin bar of steel is weaker than a thick bar of steel.

Does this increase in material (form) - and therefore strength - affect the function of the knife? Definitely.

This is why kitchen knives are the best slicers, but are also the weakest knives for hard use. Likewise, a .25 inch thick Busse will be very strong, but will also be less good at slicing than a .06 inch thick kitchen knife (assuming all other dimensions of the knives are the same).
 
I'm really not trying to argue. I do like being a bit off-the-wall and humorous at times though. :D

In my experience, blades in the 7-16" range have a very narrow range of ideal uses. Skinning and possibly fighting, but even for fighting I'd rather have a gun, or at least a much longer knife (sword?). :) They're too big for every day use and carry, and too small for chopping. Beats me why people need them if they're not into hunting and skinning.
 
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