When is Eric going to ruin the Shaman…

When will Eric screw it all up…

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All, please accept my humble apologies.

All I wanted to express was my love for Sal’s unmolested designs. I like my knives the way Sal intended. For instance, the original Paramilitary is vastly superior to the Eric redesigned PM2, likewise the original Military to the Military 2.

I lie awake at night drenched in sweat worrying what might happen to Sal’s perfect Shaman which I love dearly and I just can’t bear it.

Please forgive me for expressing my love of Sal so crudely in this thread.

PS Sal I luv u
 
matt009au said:
All, please accept my humble apologies.

All I wanted to express was my love for Sal’s unmolested designs. I like my knives the way Sal intended. For instance, the original Paramilitary is vastly superior to the Eric redesigned PM2, likewise the original Military to the Military 2.

I lie awake at night drenched in sweat worrying what might happen to Sal’s perfect Shaman which I love dearly and I just can’t bear it.

Please forgive me for expressing my love of Sal so crudely in this thread.

PS Sal I luv u
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Everything is subjective when it comes to preferences. For instance, I feel the Pm2 is much better than the original pm. I’m also firmly in the military 2 camp. That being said, we all have our favorite discontinued models that we hated to see go. I definable do not agree with your “vastly superior” comment as each of those models didn’t change much and if anything the new models are probably stronger. If you want to snag an original military or two you better do it now. I’m jumping off this sinking ship too. Eric has some great designs and I’m not liking the hating.
 
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Ok, I said I was jumping off this sinking ship, but I guess I’m saying this as the rescue boat takes me away from the site of the shipwreck…

You say you love the Shaman and you’re taking a poll as to when Eric is going to wreck it? Now you’re saying that you don’t like the Native 5? The shaman has the same basic handle shape as the native. It has the same continuous spine arc from handle to blade without a thumb ramp. It was designed as a big brother to the native and it feels obvious in the hand. How can you like one and hate the other? IMO the Shaman is awesome, I have 3 of them. The Native 5 is a favorite, I have the fluted titanium model, the fluted cf, a blurple with liners, a g10 with liners, a couple g-10 Native Chief versions. I have quite a few other models and dearly love my Manix 2’s, Eric hit that series out of the park IMO.

I have my own things that I don’t like as well. All the lightweight models are not for me. I have a couple Manix 2 LW’s and a couple delica’s but I’ve decided I don’t like the LW models. I’m not even a fan of the trend of removing liners and just using thick G10! I like the stainless liners! I couldn’t care less about the tiny bit of weight, and it adds a finish and beauty to the knife that I like. If you know what I’m saying then you know. If you don’t get it then perhaps you never will. I also don’t like the trend of changing everything over to lightweights. For instance the stretch xl and the new native chief models are all lightweights. I know I’m not the only one turning my new purchases away from Spyderco with the direction of this lightweight nonsense. I would also bring up the incredibly huge price hikes that have happened over the last 6 years or so.

The reason I’m mentioning my own dislikes is to show the creator of this thread how to speak to knife manufacturers. Spyderco has been my favorite knife manufacturer for over 20 years. It would definitely be a job trying to count them! Sal and Eric have nothing but the highest respect from me! I would never bash one of them for designing something that didn’t fit my niche. I’m showing them that I’m a dedicated customer. I’m also letting them know that not everyone is a fan if lightweights, removing liners, removing friction washers…. It’s all a money savings wearing the guise of “Lightweight”. That might work on the backpacking crowd but not the harder use edc guys and definitely not the collectors. The texture on FRN handles and other plastic handles are great. They just feel cheap to me. My delica’s feel too thin and flex with pressure. My manix lw’s creak and make cheap noises when opening/closing/using. I see them for the salt series only imo. What I hope to accomplish by probably wasting my time typing in this dead thread, is getting Sal and Eric know that the LW’s are not what some of us really want. When possible, always have a g10 version for guys like me. I would really like a stretch XL in g10…
 
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Matt,

We can accept your apology. There is some confusion as to whether you are making a judgment call for all, based on your personal preferences. The question as to who is qualified to judge is a combination of what our customers want. Eric's modifications to my Military and Paramilitary models produced a "better " model in a number of areas, is evident by the fact that sales have increased on those designed modified by Eric. Eric's design modifications are usually an improvement. He's got a very good eye.

The Shaman was different, Peter, Roque and I worked on the Shamama "family" for several years in an attempt to reach some differences in preferences with modifications based on the basic pattern. Th Shaman is the basis pattern, the Bodacious is the same pattern with the finger choil removed, The third in the family is the Edgerati, which is he same pattern as the shaman with the weight sucked out of it.

Eric hasn't tried to mod them,at lease not at this time, If he gets a hankering to do what he thinks is an improvement to the design, he'll try it.

CQI (Constant Quality Improvement) is constantly going on on all of the models all of the time.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Matt,

We can accept your apology. There is some confusion as to whether you are making a judgment call for all, based on your personal preferences. The question as to who is qualified to judge is a combination of what our customers want. Eric's modifications to my Military and Paramilitary models produced a "better " model in a number of areas, is evident by the fact that sales have increased on those designed modified by Eric. Eric's design modifications are usually an improvement. He's got a very good eye.

The Shaman was different, Peter, Roque and I worked on the Shamama "family" for several years in an attempt to reach some differences in preferences with modifications based on the basic pattern. Th Shaman is the basis pattern, the Bodacious is the same pattern with the finger choil removed, The third in the family is the Edgerati, which is he same pattern as the shaman with the weight sucked out of it.

Eric hasn't tried to mod them,at lease not at this time, If he gets a hankering to do what he thinks is an improvement to the design, he'll try it.

CQI (Constant Quality Improvement) is constantly going on on all of the models all of the time.

sal
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Always the class act Sal

And the thread was all in jest - forgive my Aussie sense of humour and hopefully friendly ‘ribbing’. Hopefully Eric doesn’t take it to heart… I do actually quite like the manix… (but he better leave the Shaman alone dammit!!!)

Ps I love you Sal
 
matt009au said:
And the thread was all in jest - forgive my Aussie sense of humour and hopefully friendly ‘ribbing’. Hopefully Eric doesn’t take it to heart… I do actually quite like the manix… (but he better leave the Shaman alone dammit!!!)
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If you're worried something might change on the Shaman, there is a fix for that. Buy lots more of the current version just in case. ;)
 
winnerone23 said:
Wait, does this mean, I ruined it first!?!? Do I Win something!?
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I had to go back to 3/21/21 to find where I decided I had enough of snagging my inner pockets or hitting my finger.. (Then again, even if it did neither, I would have still modded it!) Lol
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So maybe I’m missing something, but does the blade even touch the stop-pin anymore with that giant radius you put on there? It kind of looks like it doesn’t and if that’s the case, then I believe you did ruin it…. The only thing you might have won is a non-warranty unsafe knife award from Spyderco customer service if you ever need to send it in. I hope your pictures don’t inspire someone to do the same thing and ruin their knife as well.
 
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Sal Glesser said:
Matt,

We can accept your apology. There is some confusion as to whether you are making a judgment call for all, based on your personal preferences. The question as to who is qualified to judge is a combination of what our customers want. Eric's modifications to my Military and Paramilitary models produced a "better " model in a number of areas, is evident by the fact that sales have increased on those designed modified by Eric. Eric's design modifications are usually an improvement. He's got a very good eye.

The Shaman was different, Peter, Roque and I worked on the Shamama "family" for several years in an attempt to reach some differences in preferences with modifications based on the basic pattern. Th Shaman is the basis pattern, the Bodacious is the same pattern with the finger choil removed, The third in the family is the Edgerati, which is he same pattern as the shaman with the weight sucked out of it.

Eric hasn't tried to mod them,at lease not at this time, If he gets a hankering to do what he thinks is an improvement to the design, he'll try it.

CQI (Constant Quality Improvement) is constantly going on on all of the models all of the time.

sal
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Sal - you have always had a candor that I can appreciate, and thank you for highlighting this. My favorite knives tend to be the models that you personally designed, but I feel it would intellectually dishonest to sell Eric short. His designs have taken the brand to a new level and I know far more people that like these new designs that don't. My belief is that history will show that raised in a knifemaker's house, he is likely equipped with skills well beyond anyone else in the business.

And the results show.
 
matt009au said:
Notice Sal didn’t back you up right there… jus saying

I in NO way need back up, to make what I buy, better for me. Thanks! I don't car what hooby of mine I'm in. I buy what's available and make it what I want. RC rock crawler parts, subaru's, or knifes. They are mine and I do what needs done to make them better for me.
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Bloody Fingerz said:
So maybe I’m missing something, but does the blade even touch the stop-pin anymore with that giant radius you put on there? It kind of looks like it doesn’t and if that’s the case, then I believe you did ruin it…. The only thing you might have won is a non-warranty unsafe knife award from Spyderco customer service if you ever need to send it in. I hope your pictures don’t inspire someone to do the same thing and ruin their knife as well.
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100%, it makes contact on the stop pin or the knife would over open and not lock up tight.

If someone gets inspired, Awesome!
I've ruined a thing or 2, by modding it. That's how I learned to not ruin things. Only way to learn is to do it.

A fellow member here had a issue with his knife and saw my pics. He contacted me and mailed me the knife, so he didnt ruin it. I think it might still be his favorite PM2.
 
Sunday Sal carry



We love you Sal!!!

As an aside, I bet if Sal made a ‘mini Military’ based on the original with a liner lock… it’d outsell the PM2 2 to 1. Jus sayin
 
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elevator man said:
I would never buy another pm2 if they switched it to a liner lock. Compression lock was a huge selling point to me.
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Heaps of peeps will think and do the same and ‘never buy another pm2’ when Sal’s ‘Mini Military’ linerlock comes out baby!!!!
 
I mean is it really? I'm not against it but don't want to see anything happen to the original pm2 at the same time.
 
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