When will civivi make an axis lock?

As soon as they read this thread
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I wouldn’t doubt it if they’re already in the works. They’ve been in-tune to what’s hot and what’s not in the knife community for a while now, and their manufacturing capabilities are pretty impressive
 
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I would most likely purchase at least one. None of their locks are ambidextrous, which is why I haven't bought any yet.
 
Omega springs are a weak design, if they do make a cross-bar style lock I hope they have the foresight to avoid that mistake. That being said, button locks are superior in every way.
 
Kryme said:
Omega springs are a weak design, if they do make a cross-bar style lock I hope they have the foresight to avoid that mistake. That being said, button locks are superior in every way.
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Lol, wut?

Guess all the companies making that weak design are making a mistake, right? I like button locks but I wouldn't call them superior, just different. And what if you like an ambidextrous design? Speaking of weak, IMO the cross bar design is stronger than a button lock. Not that it really matters to me but you seem to be a fan of generalized absolutes.
 
Another Shepherd said:
I happen to like button locks, but Cutting Board Reviews on Youtube would disagree with you.
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Every single one of his videos has high pitched static, I can't take him seriously if he can't even work a mic.
craytab said:
Lol, wut?

Guess all the companies making that weak design are making a mistake, right?
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Yes.
craytab said:
I like button locks but I wouldn't call them superior, just different. And what if you like an ambidextrous design?
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Chances you're pinching the knife every time you press the button are very high, in which case it doesn't matter which side the button is. I often carry in my left pocket and have no trouble with it.
craytab said:
Speaking of weak, IMO the cross bar design is stronger than a button lock. Not that it really matters to me but you seem to be a fan of generalized absolutes.
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Button lock is essentially a cross-bar clock, only difference is the way it engages/disengages.
Apalachicola said:
I would like to see triad, shark and scorpion on a lot of knives. Not sure what the patent and trademark system is for knife locks.
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There's the Flytanium Arcade, awful marketing but an otherwise pretty nice knife. Made by the same OEM as Demko's knives too.
 
Kryme said:
Yes.
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Oh dear! You should let all those manufacturers using it know! Maybe pen a letter to Bill McHenry and Jason Williams...

Kryme said:
Chances you're pinching the knife every time you press the button are very high, in which case it doesn't matter which side the button is. I often carry in my left pocket and have no trouble with it.
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Chances are if you are looking for an ambidextrous knife you will want an ambidextrous knife.

Kryme said:
Button lock is essentially a cross-bar clock, only difference is the way it engages/disengages.
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Ha ha!

No it is not at all. Maybe go look at the design and have a rethink.


I can already tell by your perspective that we won't agree on this so I'll leave you to your cross bar lock bashing. Good luck and watch those fingers!
 
Kryme said:
Button lock is essentially a cross-bar clock, only difference is the way it engages/disengages.
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Button locks don't have nearly as much engagement as crossbar locks, because you're limited by how much the button can protrude out of the handle before it makes the knife impractical to actuate and carry. A crossbar lock can engage across the entire width of the blade and still be easy to unlock one-handed. Furthermore, you can only go in towards the pivot less than half the width of the button since the centerline has to be able to clear the tang. Button locks also wear through and develop slight play more quickly than crossbar locks because the wear is concentrated over such a small area.

I'm sure there are ways to make a crossbar lock's springs as sturdy as a button lock's. Spyderco already did that by using a coil spring in their ball bearing lock. We Knife also had an external spring system on the Double Helix that was massive. I'll bet you could make thicker Omega springs as well.
 
Spyderco's ball bearing lock is very very nice. A little stiff for my liking, but I have always been able to tweak them to a near frictionless frolicsome fidget factor without compromising lock up strength.
 
craytab said:
Oh dear! You should let all those manufacturers using it know! Maybe pen a letter to Bill McHenry and Jason Williams...
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I did, why do you think they discontinued the 710? 😭
craytab said:
Chances are if you are looking for an ambidextrous knife you will want an ambidextrous knife.
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Can't disagree here.
craytab said:
Ha ha!

No it is not at all. Maybe go look at the design and have a rethink.
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A bar that engages across the tang and prevents the blade from closing, is it not?
craytab said:
I can already tell by your perspective that we won't agree on this so I'll leave you to your cross bar lock bashing. Good luck and watch those fingers!
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I'm not bashing cross-bar, I'm bashing their reliance on omega sprigs, which are a prone to breaking. Even Benchmade finally acknowledged their flaw by using leaf springs in the new 710. They even completely avoid them in the Anthem and Narrows.

Tsujigiri said:
Button locks don't have nearly as much engagement as crossbar locks, because you're limited by how much the button can protrude out of the handle before it makes the knife impractical to actuate and carry. A crossbar lock can engage across the entire width of the blade and still be easy to unlock one-handed. Furthermore, you can only go in towards the pivot less than half the width of the button since the centerline has to be able to clear the tang. Button locks also wear through and develop slight play more quickly than crossbar locks because the wear is concentrated over such a small area.
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Like 70% of the dozen or so Benchmades I've bought (the ones I didn't RMA for defects) have had a hair of vertical play out the box. Button locks engage at a slight angle allowing for adjustment over time. The notch is also shouldered so the blade contacts a good 20% or more of the lock. Again, I'm not bashing the lock itself, just the flawed springs it uses.
Tsujigiri said:
I'm sure there are ways to make a crossbar lock's springs as sturdy as a button lock's. Spyderco already did that by using a coil spring in their ball bearing lock. We Knife also had an external spring system on the Double Helix that was massive. I'll bet you could make thicker Omega springs as well.
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Exactly, even Benchmade finally acknowledged it's a poor spring and swapped it for leaf. Anthem's lock was a step forward they completely forgot about. Microtech's RAM Lock too. Plenty of ways to make a cross-bar lock without weak springs. And no, making omega springs thicker won't solve their durability problem.
 
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