Where can I find any Hastelloy or Vanax?

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I've heard that hastelloy is really good metal as it is very strong and very rust resistant. Also vanax I was curious about. A previous post mentioned it as very rust resistant, also it has been taken off that market. I am sure that someone out there has some Somewhere and I would like to purchase some of it via "private collector." If anyone has any clue where to find either hastelloy or vanax please tell.
 
http://www.megamex.com/hastelloy-c-276-c276-nickel-alloy.htm
http://www.americanspecialmetals.com/HastelloyAlloys.html

I've only heard of it being used as pipe, or welding rod in chemical plants, or oil refineries

Which alloy did you want, apparently there are several


If you really want it, I'd try calling all the suppliers in the oil patch.



I'm assuming you want this as guard material, it's highly stainless, but only 3% iron ?




UDDEHOLM VANAX is a blade steel
I'd start with the mfg website and ask them for local suppliers
http://www.uddeholm.com/stainless_knife_steel.htm

you can probably find Elmax easier










Hastelloy C-2000 Alloy


Common Trade Names: Hastelloy C-2000, Alloy C-2000.

Hastelloy C-2000 UNS N06200, Most versatile, corrosion resistant alloy with excellent resistance to uniform corrosion in oxidizing or reducing environments. Excellent resistance to stress corrosion cracking and superior resistance to localized corrosion as compared to C-276 alloy.

The nickel-chromium-molybdenum (Ni-Cr-Mo) C-type alloys have a long history of use in the Chemical Process Industries and are known for their versatility. Not only do they resist all acids (especially hydrochloric, sulfuric, and hydrofluoric) over large temperature ranges, but they also resist the insidious types of attack induced by chlorides and other halide solutions, specifically pitting, crevice attack, and stress corrosion cracking.

Hastelloy C-2000 Alloy is designated as UNS N06200

Rod, Bar, Wire and Forging Stock: ASTM B 462 (Rod, Bar and Forging Stock), ASTM B 564 & ASME SB 564 (Forgings), ASTM B 574 & ASME SB 574 (Rod, Bar and Wire).

Plate, Sheet and Strip: - ASTM B 575; ASME SB 575.

Pipe and Tube: - ASTM B 619; ASME SB 619 (Welded Pipe); ASTM B 622; ASME SB 622 (Seamless Pipe); ASTM B626; ASME SB626 (Welded Tube).

Other Product Forms: - ASTM B 366 & ASME SB-366 (Fittings).

Trademark Notice: Some names are trade names and/or trademarks of specific manufacturers. American Special Metals, Corp. is not affiliated with any manufacturer(s). Orders will be filled to meet specifications from any available source(s). Names are listed solely for reference to help identify products consistent with listed specifications.

Hastelloy is a Registered Trademarks of Haynes International and Its subsidiaries.
Chemical Composition
 
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EastCompass_
You would be far better to start your knife making with normal knife steels. Trying to "re-invent" the knife by using an unusual steel is not a good idea. These steels will produce poor knives unless all the work is done correctly. From your current situation (brand new maker, little equipment, few skills) it would be a bad idea to use them.

What you don't know is that a knife made in Vanax ( Fe-N structure instead of Fe-C) won't get as harder as one made in 1084 or any stainless blade steel. Normal max hardness for Vanax is about Rc57. Unless the HT and geometry is spot on, it may be a poorer cutter than a ginsu.

Hastaloy is a Ni-Mo-Cr alloy series that is corrosion resistant, but not a blade steel. It has almost no carbon ( as little as .01%), and does not harden in the way we think of for knives. Great for pipes carrying acid sludge, bad for knives doing anything more than cutting butter.

For stainless knives, using the standard steels - 440C, AEBL, CPM-154, CPM-S35VN, etc. - will get the best results. There are millions of good knives made in these steels.

You can get enough good stainless to make a dozen knives for the amount to make one in Vanax. If you are set on using a Bohler specialty steel, try Elmax someday ( but not today).
 
bladsmth said:
What you don't know is that a knife made in Vanax ( Fe-N structure instead of Fe-C) won't get as harder as one made in 1084 or any stainless blade steel. Normal max hardness for Vanax is about Rc57. Unless the HT and geometry is spot on, it may be a poorer cutter than a ginsu.
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Where did you get this information?

Chuck
 
The statement was from memory.

I just did a search and pulled this from Benchmade :
UDDEHOLM VANAX
Third Generation powder metal technology. Virtually all Carbon is replaced with Nitrogen, the result is extremely high corrosion resistance comparable to 300 series Stainless. Excellent in salt water. Toughness and edge retention like ELMAX. Hardens and tempers to 57-59 HRC.



I realize that my statement was pretty broad, but as a knife steel, unless corrosion resistance and toughness are the prime needs, I think other steels would serve better....especially for a complete novice.

I realize that there are several Vanax alloys, and several sets of specs ( some are still secret, I believe), but IIRC, the max for any of them is Rc60 ( which is quite respectable), but can still be surpassed in hardness by 1084 ( as quenched Rc64, 400°F temper Rc61).
 
IMO 1084 makes good first knives because you can heat treat it yourself. You are not going to want to pay $40 to heat treat your first knifes that are going to look like pitiful scrap to you 4 or 5 knives down the road.
 
There were two Vanax alloys. One alloy was dropped before major production. The remaining Vanax alloy has been pulled from the market.

The Vanax knife we have was heat treated to 59.5 HRC. At this hardness we did not experience any chipping.

We sent the knife to Jim Ankerson and he performed cutting tests described in this thread:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/793481

At 59.5 HRC Vanax out cut the following steels:

ZDP-189 (65)
CPM-154 (62)
ELMAX (60)
CTS-XHP (Military) (60+)
Super Blue (61.5)
S30V (60)
CPM - D2 (62)
ATS-34 (59)
CPM-S35VN (59)
ELMAX (58.5) Mule

The number listed after the alloy is the hardness. Vanax out cut several steels that are harder.

Chuck
 
Hastelloy is still available, I quoted a job last year to make some parts form it. When I quote a Hastelloy job, I put it through my normal bidding process then double it, then double it again, then double it again, then add 3 decimal points just to make sure I don't get the job.

The last thing a knife maker needs in his/her life is Hastelloy. Did I mention it has a machinability rating of 5. Thats not 5 out of 10, its 5 out of 100.
 
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