Where does CTS-BD1 fall?

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Cold Steel apparently will be offering BD-1 on some of their folders next year. I'd guesstimate, based on the descriptions of others, it'll take an edge like AUS8 but with better rust resistance and possibly better edge retention.

Of course for those who really need edge retention they'll have some folders in XHP too.
 
Cold Steel apparently will be offering BD-1 on some of their folders next year. I'd guesstimate, based on the descriptions of others, it'll take an edge like AUS8 but with better rust resistance and possibly better edge retention.

Of course for those who really need edge retention they'll have some folders in XHP too.

I'm actually ok with their AUS-8 but it is what it is...
 
Their AUS8 is very good, and I certainly have no complaints about the 40 odd Cold Steel knives I own in that steel.

On the other hand I EDC the Recon 1 in XHP.

To be honest I don't see that much difference because I don't use a knife hard, and most of my cutting is done with my Mini Tuff Lite anyway, but I do find the DLC coating more appealing than the easy peel Tuff-Ex.
 
...constructive criticism?

TCE: how much material cut before testing for dullness in what manner? Did it vary at all? In Jim's tests, blades start at 15-dps with same edge finish and cut until 20-lbs cutting force is achieved, i.e. an end-point. This is stated in the model. TCE distracts from the model, allows for variation in sharpness testing and when sharpness was tested, i.e. no defined end-point.


Too much focus on a hypothetical apex "angle" rather than thickness. The apex-thickness of a felling axe increases substantially in use compared to a knife, but a narrow apex isn't as important as a narrow bevel on a felling axe, i.e. it doesn't need to be shaving or paper-slicing sharp to penetrate. To wit, the working apex-angle of a felling axe is ~45-dps, resharpening is aimed at reducing the bevel shoulders somewhat but maintaining sufficient thickness behind the edge to prevent the metal from deforming and fracturing with repeated strikes. That thickness is MUCH higher than the knives being compared, and the primary bevel angle of an axe is >10-dps. For a knife, it is <5 dps, MUCH thinner (like his early graphic). A perfectly sharpened steel apex is still ~45-dps, 0.1-0.5 um thick, that is the best steel can do. BEHIND that apex you can have a bevel angle. But even steels of the finest grain can't maintain 5-dps from an apex 0.5um thick through much use, it is just too thin, rolls/deform/tears/cracks, which is why 15-20 dps remains the recommended apex angle (i.e. micro-bevel) for everything from fine kitchen cutlery to wood-chippers. 15-dps means that the steel is 2x taller than it is thick via cross-section. When you bring your edge lower than this, there's a good chance you'll actually end up with a thicker apex diameter than you'd have at a higher angle. For highest initial sharpness, that diameter, that thickness, is what matters. The question is how thin to bring the blade behind this 15-dps bevel. 0.015"? 0.010? 0.005? Note than reducing the edge thickness by half may improve penetration by 2-4x but reduces edge-stiffness (i.e. resistance to deformation that can lead to fracture) by ~8-fold. The thinner you go, the weaker and more specialized the blade.
The problem is that utility work OFTEN involves lateral loads and impacts on hard materials. We are more worried about our tools breaking, our edges going flat or chipping-out than we are about the abrading away because those are the ways we most often encounter dullness. Before we worry about abrasion resistance, we worry about the strength of the tool itself. Abrasion resistance is a lower priority than edge strength. But at 15-dps and 58+Rc, edge-strength among knives becomes fairly set, you need only establish a working edge-thickness for what type of cutting you expect to do. Once that is established, the high wear steels offer increased abrasion resistance for those who want/need it without sacrificing much strength/toughness.

How does that relate to low-wear steels like CTS-BD1? At the same geometry, BD1 abrades away more quickly to dullness. You can take the blade down to an angle that thins out the blade to a more narrow microbevel, essentially thinning a back-bevel. Using this thinner geometry, you can maintain a higher cutting efficiency through abrasive wear for longer. Your apex is just as dull, dulls just as quickly, but the bevel shoulders are thinner so they incur less resistance than a thicker geometry - less wedging-force = less resistance to continued cutting = higher apparent wear-resistance. Just don't use it like you would a high-wear blade with thicker geometry, i.e. subject it to the same levels of stress, or your new found abrasion-resistance will be lost to the more common concerns of blade strength. Unless you need to do a lot of abrasive cutting, i.e. the task those high-wear steels were designed to meet... you might as well use it at the same geometry you would use any other knife that you'd subject to the stresses you ted to encounter. OR you could thin it out to compete with high-wear steels and see if Cliff is right. *shrug*
 
Whatever !

You wanted constructive criticism...I gave it. So what's the problem? Be careful what you ask for.

Did you want constructive criticism of Stamp's video, like chiral.golim so intelligently provided?

I don't see that point in that, since: 1) Stamp's "scientific method" is not the subject of this thread; 2) Stamp's not here; and 3) even if he was, he woildn't pay attention.
 
I'd take CS's Aus 8 or even some 8cr13Mov over CTSBd1 based on my experience using all three steels... :thumbup::eek::D
 
I'd take CS's Aus 8 or even some 8cr13Mov over CTSBd1 based on my experience using all three steels... :thumbup::eek::D

Really? I'm only asking because I figured that Manix LW would have a better steel than a Recon 1, heat treat notwithstanding.

Doesn't matter much to me. I actually like plain jane steels like 1095, 420HC, AUS8 and 8Cr. I don't mind sharpening my knives a little more often.
 
What should someone expect from CTS-BD1?

It's a low alloy steel so it will be easier to sharpen, pretty good stain resistance also.

It's a good steel used in lower cost knives to keep the cost down.
 
Really? I'm only asking because I figured that Manix LW would have a better steel than a Recon 1, heat treat notwithstanding.

Doesn't matter much to me. I actually like plain jane steels like 1095, 420HC, AUS8 and 8Cr. I don't mind sharpening my knives a little more often.


It just seemed like my Manix LW dulled faster than any of the others I mentioned. Of course, it could all be in my head... :foot::thumbup::D
 
I only own one knife in that steel, a Spyderco UKPK. And honestly, I don't really like the steel. It feels weird to me when sharpening, kinda grainy or coarse.
I like AUS 8 much better, its still my go-to stainless steel.
 
It just seemed like my Manix LW dulled faster than any of the others I mentioned. Of course, it could all be in my head... :foot::thumbup::D

All good, brother! Thanks for the response. Nothing beats real world experience.
 
All good, brother! Thanks for the response. Nothing beats real world experience.

You're welcome! My experience might not be worth much in the grand scheme but even Jim Ankerson rated BD1 in the bottom of the edge retention chart in his testing so... ;):p:D:cool:
 
You're welcome! My experience might not be worth much in the grand scheme but even Jim Ankerson rated BD1 in the bottom of the edge retention chart in his testing so... ;):p:D:cool:

I just took a peek over in that thread. Wow! Even AUS8 and 14C28N were a couple of levels above it.

 
Quit being dumb it doesn't matter if the person is boring it matters if he presents facts

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