Where is Churchill When You Need Him?

Screwdriver said:
The problem is, not all Muslims want to kill non Muslims. People need to understand the dichotomy of Islam and why some think like they do. If we clump them all together, we just make enemies of people that are not the enemy.
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Well, based on this logic, if we finally do go to war against ISIS, and not this pretty worthless time-delaying and money-wasting tactic we are now doing, you're saying they will join us in the fight against the other Muslims, the ones that are trying to kill us?

I'm a Christian, but I would not have any problem going after and killing other Christians if they were part of a group that killed innocent people and repeatedly pledged to kill Americans. They might say they are "Christians," but their views certainly would trump that fact and I'd volunteer to eradicate them too.

Would the "good" Muslins do the same against ISIS, the "bad" Muslims? Would being an "American" to them trump their religion? How many were even born on American soil... they are just living here.

I don't know how many, if ​any, would die in battle just because they live here. Their roots here don't go very deep.
 
jmclfrsh said:
Well, based on this logic, if we finally do go to war against ISIS, and not this pretty worthless time-delaying and money-wasting tactic we are now doing, you're saying they will join us in the fight against the other Muslims, the ones that are trying to kill us?

I'm a Christian, but I would not have any problem going after and killing other Christians if they were part of a group that killed innocent people and repeatedly pledged to kill Americans. They might say they are "Christians," but their views certainly would trump that fact and I'd volunteer to eradicate them too.

Would the "good" Muslins do the same against ISIS, the "bad" Muslims? Would being an "American" to them trump their religion? How many were even born on American soil... they are just living here.

I don't know how many, if ​any, would die in battle just because they live here. Their roots here don't go very deep.
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I think this raises an interesting point. Clearly Muslims do fight against Muslims. The majority of the Peshmerga forces are Muslim. The fighting of Muslims against other Muslims is done primarily for ideological reasons more so than territorial borders. The question you raise is valid - would those of the Muslim faith take up arms against other Muslims if called upon to defend the American (or Canadian) homeland? Not for religious reasons, but out of duty to the country and it's people (who are all faiths). This is where the rubber hits the road.
 
Having actually had some deep conversation with people who have been on the front line deal with ISIS, Al Queda, and others in Afganistan & Iraq who are hell bent on killing American & destroying our way of life.

These experts for the most part feel killing off there verman is the only way to stop the expansion of their cause. Honestly these people must be some super snake charmers, who in many cases convince children in their early teen to take up arms, behead people, and preform other atrocities on innocent civilians in their own country.

These victims only crime is not following the idology, or following Islam to the letter the way ISIS, or Al Quieda interprets it.

I do hope all the free nation in the world decide to unite in the fight against these radical religious extremists. I was told yesterday by my other half, she apprently heard on the news, if any place in "europe" is attacked again, the Swiss who never get involved in anything. Will take up arm against enemy & join the fight.

As for now each of us must remain viligent, look for thing that don't feel right, don't look right, and report suspicious activities to the Police, Homeland Security, and the F.B.I. As there eyes are not every where, and many big police case have been solved by a tip for civilian who say something weird, and made a phone call.
 
Screwdriver said:
The problem is, not all Muslims want to kill non Muslims. People need to understand the dichotomy of Islam and why some think like they do. If we clump them all together, we just make enemies of people that are not the enemy.
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Where did you get that I said all Muslims? In no way did I mean that at all.

I think mr. Emerson's spot on point was focused on the Muslim population in this world better get their act straight and go against these radical jihadis if they want to make it long term.
 
jmclfrsh said:
Well, based on this logic, if we finally do go to war against ISIS, and not this pretty worthless time-delaying and money-wasting tactic we are now doing, you're saying they will join us in the fight against the other Muslims, the ones that are trying to kill us?

I'm a Christian, but I would not have any problem going after and killing other Christians if they were part of a group that killed innocent people and repeatedly pledged to kill Americans. They might say they are "Christians," but their views certainly would trump that fact and I'd volunteer to eradicate them too.

Would the "good" Muslins do the same against ISIS, the "bad" Muslims? Would being an "American" to them trump their religion? How many were even born on American soil... they are just living here.

I don't know how many, if ​any, would die in battle just because they live here. Their roots here don't go very deep.
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The Kurds have been fighting ISIS, Iran wants to fight ISIS...In fact where ISIS has a stronghold, Muslims have been fighting them. In fact....who on the ground do you think has been fighting them?
 
netguy1999 said:
I think this raises an interesting point. Clearly Muslims do fight against Muslims. The majority of the Peshmerga forces are Muslim. The fighting of Muslims against other Muslims is done primarily for ideological reasons more so than territorial borders. The question you raise is valid - would those of the Muslim faith take up arms against other Muslims if called upon to defend the American (or Canadian) homeland? Not for religious reasons, but out of duty to the country and it's people (who are all faiths). This is where the rubber hits the road.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_the_United_States_military
 
Screwdriver said:
The Kurds have been fighting ISIS, Iran wants to fight ISIS...In fact where ISIS has a stronghold, Muslims have been fighting them. In fact....who on the ground do you think has been fighting them?
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If all moderate Muslims were to take arms against the radicals, it would be no contest, jihadists gone. But that's not the case, a very small population is fighting ISIS, and only because they want another radical group to replace them instead.
 
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Ernest Emerson said:
Dear Members,

Let's say I'm a pacifist.

If I'm walking down the street and two guys step out and start to beat me up, and I defend myself, am I in a fight?

When an enemy declares war on you, guess what? You are at war. Whether you want it or not. At least the French President has the brass to call it what it is.

And just as Ted Cruz put it, we were at war with Nazi Germany even though all Germans may not have been engaged in the fight. Yes, we are at war with Islam. The part of Islam that is at war with us. Whether the larger part of the Muslim faith believes in, engages in or supports radical Islam, that choice is theirs to make.

So for Muslims, it comes down to a choice of which side are you on? You are either with the radicals or against them. Anything in between is tacit approval and that means you are part of the enemy that has declared war against us.

We are at war with Radical Islam and that is a fact. It is how they see it and it appears now that the rest of the world is beginning to see it in spite of the reluctance of the Democrats, Liberals, and current administration of this country that cannot or will not face the facts and speak the truth.

And as far as an official declaration of war and the fact that ISIS is not a recognized state, I know all about the treaties and NATO Agreements that would force other allied countries into the fray. Perhaps it is time that that should happen.


My Best Regards,

Ernest Emerson
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Well said, Ernie.
The most fundamental problem I see, is that Islam is radical by nature; their holy writings call for the destruction of all "infidels", mercifully, of course, by decapitation. It is written down in their Quuram or whatever is called, I have read it with my own eyes, even though I cannot quote chapter and verse, but that is the sad reality.

Up to this day I have not seen or heard of the Islamic "indignation" about the atrocities some of their fringe groups like ISIS are committing all over the world, I don't see or hear their leaders in the US calling for them to back down from raping women and girls in the middle east and now Europe; I don't see or hear their voice, in any way, shape or form against their brutal acts of terror against the innocent in the middle east, or in Europe.

What I read is that girls in Germany are ordered to not wear shorts or short skirts to school so they don't offend their 'guests' and provoke them to rape them; in some places they are thinking about going armed to work just in case.
The main stream media doesn't show the real truth, and there is only one truth; Islam calls for the extermination of "infidels" whether we like it or not; this is the very reason why Ben Carson said he would not support a Muslim being president unless he rejected their religion's tenets.

I don't think we will ever see any Islamic nation condemn ISIS acts anywhere; and as far as I am concerned, I am totally opposed to allowing their so called "refugees" come into our country, into any state, or city, town, village etc. I doubt very much, that any of them would volunteer to fight against people of their own ideology.

It is a matter of time before we will be attacked again, but as usual, our government will call it an isolated incident not at all related to Islam, a religion of hate; and that is what it is, pure hate against any other man or woman, or child who does not believe in their God and their teachings. They want you and I dead just because we are Americans, period.

Now I'm getting pissed off, so I'm going to stop there. But you are right Ernie; and people need to wake up in this nation or we will not have one to give to our children and grand children; that is why I have taught them all to shoot a gun, and wield a knife; and to spit out the kool aid.
I'm done.
Thanks for a good post sir.
We need more sheep dogs.
 
I don't think we will ever see any Islamic nation condemn ISIS acts anywhere; and as far as I am concerned, I am totally opposed to allowing their so called "refugees" come into our country, into any state, or city, town, village etc. I doubt very much, that any of them would volunteer to fight against people of their own ideology.

There are a few countries that are fightning ISIS and other muslim terrorist groups in Syria, including the legit government of Bassar Al-Assad.

Even hezbollah fights ISIS...
 
I recently finished reading a book called "Black Angels", if is about Hitlers elite Waffen SS. These people were the best of the best. Thery committed atrocities, war crimes, and we Hitlers toughest fighter.

One of the best source for News I fide is the UK Daily Mail. When I read about all the atrocities, beheading, rape, enslavement, and other shinagins ISIS is comitting today.

They are worst in many ways, and as or more ruthless than Hitlers Waffen SS. The problem with fighing teorrist v/s a conventional army is it is hard to tell who the enemy is until you are looking down a barrel of their guns.
 
Akapennypincher said:
I recently finished reading a book called "Black Angels", if is about Hitlers elite Waffen SS. These people were the best of the best. Thery committed atrocities, war crimes, and we Hitlers toughest fighter.

One of the best source for News I fide is the UK Daily Mail. When I read about all the atrocities, beheading, rape, enslavement, and other shinagins ISIS is comitting today.

They are worst in many ways, and as or more ruthless than Hitlers Waffen SS. The problem with fighing teorrist v/s a conventional army is it is hard to tell who the enemy is until you are looking down a barrel of their guns.
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Agree; they're worse than the nazis, and they're coming here; there is no doubt about that. They want a worldwide caliphate, with sharia law no less. In their minds we are the great satan; America is offensive to them, and they're willing to die to exterminate our way of life.

They're going to have a hard time looking down the barrels of our guns, as they have already in Irak and Afghanistan; I believe the reason they are so emboldened is because we pulled out of there. They're nothing but rats.

Just yesterday I saw the new poll, the stats worldwide are that more than 60 million people support what Isis is doing; all from Islamic nations. Rebel Media came out with a video of their analysis; it's not surprising. I'm waiting to see what NATO, especially France is going to do.

Now the FBI just confirmed they're aware of reports of a threat of a terrorist attack during the WWE match, in Atlanta; which was brought to light by a group called Anonymous, aka OpParisIntel. Fortunately nothing happened.

They're never going to stop trying, that's what I think.
 
To match the sentiments of Ernest's original post, now is the time that we need strong leadership in Washington. We don't need any more politicians, we need leaders. We need people who are not afraid to act. We live in a world where we are all too afraid to act because we don't want to offend anyone. Just look at the recent change in the ROE for the US Air Force in Syria. Until last week, they were not allowed to attack ISIS fuel trucks because the driver was deemed innocent and a non-combatant. Ummm... If you're driving an ISIS fuel truck, YOU ARE ISIS. This is typical of the leadership we have. This foolishness HAS TO STOP.
 
" Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it ...... have been as wolves and Tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their names remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and as it this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind."

John Wesley
1703-1791



It would appear that this is not a new problem ?!
 
I'm sad and angry at the same time.
My youngest daughter came to visit yesterday and mentioned that the shooting in San Bernardino was a horrible act, she couldn't understand why someone would do something like that, and brought up 'gun control' as a foolish thing..some of the details of the shooting were not clear, so I replied that the shooters were probably associated with some form of Islam; "they were white dudes dad", yeah, I said, but wait and see after they start looking into the facts I'll bet you the shooters were Islamists in some for or another; that was my response.

Today, the FBI confirmed my suspicions, "California Gunman Was Radicalized, Contacted Terror Suspects" said the email I got, "Federal authorities were trying to determine a motive for the Wednesday California massacre that killed 14 and wounded more than a dozen others even as more details emerged pointing to terrorism.
Wearing body armor and black tactical gear with GoPro cameras, Farook, 28, and wife Tashfeen Malik, 27, shot up a holiday party hosted by Farook's employer, the county health department."

Pointing to terrorism? Uhmm.let me think.

"At the White House, President Barack Obama said after meeting with his national security team that it was "possible this was terrorist-related" but that authorities were unsure. He raised the possibility that it was a workplace dispute or that mixed motives were at play."

Yeah, probably a workplace dispute such as the one at Fort Hood.

Ernie's original post is still ringing in my ears, I'm praying for the families of the murdered ones, and for the injured in this mindless act of terror in our own backyard; be on the ready sheepdogs.
 
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