Where should the liner be?

dinozzo · Nov 13, 2009

hey guys, i got my CQC-8 in yesterday and have been enjoying it very much..

So pretty much out of the box my liner is at 50% (as in how far over it is when blade is open).. should this be cause for concern cause it is already at 50%, shouldn't it wear into 50%? or is this a good thing?

if this is a concern some advice on fixing it would be appreciated

thanks

A.P.F. · Nov 13, 2009

No worries. To my way of thinking, 50% is ideal! You will need a lot of wear to cover the other 50%.

SIFU1A · Nov 18, 2009

if it came at 50% thats pretty far over imho, it should be more at 1/3 or so, does it lock up ok? if so it might be ok, my only concern would be if it wears and all LL's wear especially if waved/inertia'd much, then ya could have problems, maybe, possibly, its just hard to tell without looking at the thing, FWIW most of my EKI's were not that far over when LNIB.

dinozzo · Nov 18, 2009

SIFU1A said:
if it came at 50% thats pretty far over imho, it should be more at 1/3 or so, does it lock up ok? if so it might be ok, my only concern would be if it wears and all LL's wear especially if waved/inertia'd much, then ya could have problems, maybe, possibly, its just hard to tell without looking at the thing, FWIW most of my EKI's were not that far over when LNIB.

It locks up perfectly, like a bank vault, and the liner is smooth to disengage, here are some pics, this is as close as i could get...

hope that helps

RobME · Nov 18, 2009

Here's mine... Perfect lockup, as is yours above.

SIFU1A · Nov 19, 2009

imho thats fine, i wouldnt worry about it at all, i had imagined it was further across than that.

ten-ringer · Nov 20, 2009

looks perfect to me :thumbup:

Haze · Nov 20, 2009

They look OK to me, if the liner hits the other side I would worry but not other wise :thumbup:

amen74 · Nov 20, 2009

They look good guys. :thumbup: My one and only 8 sets at about 1/3. It has good lockup too.

dc50 · Nov 20, 2009

I have 6 Emersons and the lock up on them is exactly the same, works for me..
As my uncle used to say " Don't be worry"

dinozzo · Nov 21, 2009

alright thanks for the advice, just wanted to be sure

pvicenzi · Nov 23, 2009

Why waste time worrying about what might happen? As long as it locks solid now, enjoy the knife.

dinozzo · Nov 23, 2009

pvicenzi said:
Why waste time worrying about what might happen? As long as it locks solid now, enjoy the knife.

Alright, will do

SIFU1A · Nov 24, 2009

pvicenzi said:
Why waste time worrying about what might happen? As long as it locks solid now, enjoy the knife.

because the LL shouldnt be midway on a LNIB knife for one reason, & even if lockup is fine right then with some waving or inertia'ing its probably not gonna be fine for long, i'd rather get something like that taken care of right off the bat vs waiting for the thing to mess up later on down the line, possibly at a time when ya need the thing, YMMV of course.

also, imho, especially on a LL which is waved/inertia'd a lot, its a good idea to keep on eye on lockup & how far across the liner is going.

and even though some LL's will go all the way across and still lock up fine (i had a BM 975 like that) some certainly wont, in fact, its been my experience most wont.

stabman · Nov 25, 2009

SIFU1A said:
also, imho, especially on a LL which is waved/inertia'd a lot, its a good idea to keep on eye on lockup & how far across the liner is going.

That goes for frame-locks as well.
I never wave my Comrade anymore, after seeing how fast that got the bar going across the tang. It was amazing how much it did.

Now that I don't wave it, the lock-up stays in the exact same place.:thumbup:

spidyman · Nov 28, 2009

SIFU1A said:
because the LL shouldnt be midway on a LNIB knife for one reason, & even if lockup is fine right then with some waving or inertia'ing its probably not gonna be fine for long, i'd rather get something like that taken care of right off the bat vs waiting for the thing to mess up later on down the line, possibly at a time when ya need the thing, YMMV of course.

also, imho, especially on a LL which is waved/inertia'd a lot, its a good idea to keep on eye on lockup & how far across the liner is going.

and even though some LL's will go all the way across and still lock up fine (i had a BM 975 like that) some certainly wont, in fact, its been my experience most wont.

Bull Hockey!!

I've got a cqc-15 that I bought in april of 07 that I have carried nearly everyday until the last 6 months when I got an HD-7 and an XM-18 and it was waved every single time it left my pocket and it has quite a few rather aggressive inertial opeings on it as well and it still locks on the thickness of the liner across the blade tang.

RobME · Nov 28, 2009

spidyman said:
Bull Hockey!!

I've got a cqc-15 that I bought in april of 07 that I have carried nearly everyday until the last 6 months when I got an HD-7 and an XM-18 and it was waved every single time it left my pocket and it has quite a few rather aggressive inertial opeings on it as well and it still locks on the thickness of the liner across the blade tang.

:thumbup: +1... I'm tired of reading much of the nonsense regarding advance liner wear. Some may be true, but I'd guess most isn't (and it's a quick repair at the spa if so).

genius5th · Nov 28, 2009

i noticed my super raven was way past 50% maybe like 70-75% almost all the way to the right. I don't know if it was from waving it alot or what but I had it less than 2 months

SIFU1A · Nov 30, 2009

spidyman said:
Bull Hockey!!

I've got a cqc-15 that I bought in april of 07 that I have carried nearly everyday until the last 6 months when I got an HD-7 and an XM-18 and it was waved every single time it left my pocket and it has quite a few rather aggressive inertial opeings on it as well and it still locks on the thickness of the liner across the blade tang.

so?

i said they shouldnt be midway when LNIB, yours is still at the 1/3 point so what are ya saying, that your liner moved BACK from the midway point? man i have never ever seen one do that lol they usually move towards the midway point and beyond, wow.

i said if they are already at the halfway point its not right, and its not, and the original posters knife isnt at the 1/2 way point and yours isnt either, so what exactly do yopu mean lol?

again, if the thing is LNIB it should be around 1/3 of the way across measured from the center of the liner not the edge of the liner if it is already at that point a lot of waving and inertia'ing is going to wear it farther across and in general this isnt a good thing,

and even if your '15 has been waved/inertia'd a lot and hasnt worn any what exactly does that prove other than yours is hiolding up well? i have a bud who has a thin liner '99 commander which has been waved or inerti'd virtually every time its been opened and its still at the 1/3 point right were it should be, on the other hand i have a SOCFK which was inertia'd some and waved a little and it went all the way across after about a year and i had to send it to EKI to get fixed, different knives can wear, well, differently, its hardly "bull puckey" i promise you.

your HD7 isnt a liner lock anyway its a frame lock so what that has to do with all this is beyond me, lol.

RobME · Nov 30, 2009

inertia... inertia'ing... inertia'd... Huh? What? Why is this term even being used? Yeah... I know what it means and I know what the poster intends to mean by using it. I don't want a lesson. It's just the wrong word to express the lockbar edge being gradually worn down by the the accelerated force of it's contact with the blade tang. What one might mean to say is 'inertial force' of waving the knife... produces accelerated wear on the lockbars leading edge... but, even this doesn't serve to express what's really going on. If you consider... despite the accelerated speed of the blade in motion (produced by waving the knife open)... the lockbar still travels a very short distance. It doesn't move at the speed of the blade. It doesn't have much mass. It doesn't travel very far or fast is what I'm trying to say.

The oddity is that many report not much wear at all to the lockbar edge, even after years of repeated waved (or non-waved) openings. Others... whom I don't doubt - make no mistake about this - find accelerated wear to the lockbar over short time. So? WTF is going on?

Truth is, I don't know (I'm just rambling)... but but but... I'd guess (since I have nothing better to do right now) that it MAY have something to do with the hardness properties of the titanium used. Maybe there are some QC issues in its manufacture at the mill or from the supplier from where it's sourced. Maybe some is softer than it should be, and that's just my guess.

I do know that if the lockbar has accelerated wear, the good folks at Emerson will usually and in most cases, install a new locking liner. It's a big $15.00 shipping back to YOU, (conus) whoever you are. They're good knives... don't worry, be happy!