Where should the liner be?

[spidyman]

so?

i said they shouldnt be midway when LNIB, yours is still at the 1/3 point so what are ya saying, that your liner moved BACK from the midway point? man i have never ever seen one do that lol they usually move towards the midway point and beyond, wow.

i said if they are already at the halfway point its not right, and its not, and the original posters knife isnt at the 1/2 way point and yours isnt either, so what exactly do yopu mean lol?

again, if the thing is LNIB it should be around 1/3 of the way across measured from the center of the liner not the edge of the liner if it is already at that point a lot of waving and inertia'ing is going to wear it farther across and in general this isnt a good thing,

and even if your '15 has been waved/inertia'd a lot and hasnt worn any what exactly does that prove other than yours is hiolding up well? i have a bud who has a thin liner '99 commander which has been waved or inerti'd virtually every time its been opened and its still at the 1/3 point right were it should be, on the other hand i have a SOCFK which was inertia'd some and waved a little and it went all the way across after about a year and i had to send it to EKI to get fixed, different knives can wear, well, differently, its hardly "bull puckey" i promise you.

your HD7 isnt a liner lock anyway its a frame lock so what that has to do with all this is beyond me, lol.

1. My point was to show you that all this talk of excessive and accelerated liner wear is total BS!

2. MY HD-7 is a frame lock as I figure you and I are both aware and so is my XM, I simply put that in there to indicate that I no londer carry this 15 every day.

it would help if one actually read a post before trying to pick it apart.

if you don't like liner lock knives don't buy em'!

IMO 50% is exactly where a liner lock knife should lock up NIB, and it should stay that way for quite some time; in my pics I was indicating it still has NIB lockup even after give or take a 10K openings in 2.5 years and every single one of them was either by the wave or inertia, something that you insiuates create unde wear and accellerates the liner wear. If the liner is properly fitted then what you are insiuation is pure BS.

if you can't listen to reason, then I'm just wasting my time

 

[stabman]

1. My point was to show you that all this talk of excessive and accelerated liner wear is total BS!

Well, this "BS" occurred on BOTH my Comrades. FAST wear of the frame-lock across the tang, not slow, gradual wear.
And it stopped immediately after I stopped waving the knives. I figured it was enough wear when it reached 90% of the tang being covered, and there are very few instances where waving the knife open helps anything.
Just because YOU think something is not true does not make it so.

 

[spidyman]

Well, this "BS" occurred on BOTH my Comrades. FAST wear of the frame-lock across the tang, not slow, gradual wear.
And it stopped immediately after I stopped waving the knives. I figured it was enough wear when it reached 90% of the tang being covered, and there are very few instances where waving the knife open helps anything.
Just because YOU think something is not true does not make it so.

Well to tell you the truth I highly doubt many of you realize that its most likely not the liner or lock bar wearing but rather the blade peening and or the stop pin peening and flat facing, and the wallowing of the stop tpin holes in the liners; as the lock bar/liner takes no load when in the opening position but rather most the force from waving or inertia opening a knife is directly transfered to the stop pin and the back of the blade. Such wear that I have seen could easily be describe and misrepresented as excessive liner wear.

 

[stabman]

Well to tell you the truth I highly doubt many of you realize that its most likely not the liner or lock bar wearing but rather the blade peening and or the stop pin peening and flat facing, and the wallowing of the stop tpin holes in the liners; as the lock bar/liner takes no load when in the opening position but rather most the force from waving or inertia opening a knife is directly transfered to the stop pin and the back of the blade. Such wear that I have seen could easily be describe and misrepresented as excessive liner wear.

I am one who knows about stop-pin deformation. That isn't what happened here.
Emerson's frame-locks(at least the ones I've had) have a bare point of contact to begin with. As they wear in, the point of contact increases, but still remains rather small. This small point of contact wears quicker with a good solid wave or flick; you can probably notice the "stickiness" of the lock when this happens. Each time you disengage the lock when it's sticky, you get a certain amount of wear. With both my Comrades, this small point of contact proved suseptible to faster wear than I wanted.
The stop-pin is in great condition though, and the back of the blade barely has the black worn from contact.
If you luck out and get one with more contact area, wave away.:thumbup:

 

[SIFU1A]

1. My point was to show you that all this talk of excessive and accelerated liner wear is total BS!

2. MY HD-7 is a frame lock as I figure you and I are both aware and so is my XM, I simply put that in there to indicate that I no londer carry this 15 every day.

it would help if one actually read a post before trying to pick it apart.

if you don't like liner lock knives don't buy em'!

IMO 50% is exactly where a liner lock knife should lock up NIB, and it should stay that way for quite some time; in my pics I was indicating it still has NIB lockup even after give or take a 10K openings in 2.5 years and every single one of them was either by the wave or inertia, something that you insiuates create unde wear and accellerates the liner wear. If the liner is properly fitted then what you are insiuation is pure BS.

if you can't listen to reason, then I'm just wasting my time

*having owned a few liner locks, customs and productions (certainly in the 100's), some waved, some not, i can assure you if you wave and inertia 'em a lot, they wear faster, that would be, imho, simply common sense.

*yes i am quite aware the HD7 and XM are frame locks, i wasnt sure you were though since this thread is about liner locks.

*i did read it.

*if i didnt like liner locks why on earth would i have owned literally hundreds of the things thru the yrs? there is nothing at all wrong with a well fitted well designed liner lock, do a search i have said that dozens if not hundreds of times when tons of folks claimed they suck. my fav EDC is a LL FWIW, a custom '13.

*most all of my liner locks have been at or about 1/3 when LNIB shape, customs, productions, emersons, BM's, spydies, MT's, pat crawfords, kershaws, etc, etc, when pat re-did my ti kasper, again, 1/3.

if the fact that if you use them harder, they will wear faster and some wear better/worse than others, is impossible for you to grasp, i am the one wasting time not you.

 

[SIFU1A]

Well to tell you the truth I highly doubt many of you realize that its most likely not the liner or lock bar wearing but rather the blade peening and or the stop pin peening and flat facing, and the wallowing of the stop tpin holes in the liners; as the lock bar/liner takes no load when in the opening position but rather most the force from waving or inertia opening a knife is directly transfered to the stop pin and the back of the blade. Such wear that I have seen could easily be describe and misrepresented as excessive liner wear.

no foolin.

either way though the LL moves across as the tolerances loosen so 6 of one a half dozen of another, the knife doesnt lock up correctly thus you have LL issues, or perhaps more accurately called lock issues, 6 of one...........

 

[Amplified]

I just purchased my first emerson 2 weeks ago. At first the liner was stiff and locked up 1/3 of the way. After a week of playing with it (No Abuse) Ive noticed that it is locking up at 3/4. The lock up is still fine but I'm wondering if I keep playing with it that it will go all the way over. I will probably be contacting Emerson if it keeps migrating.

 

[stabman]

Also seems to depend on the mass of the blade whether the liner "migrates" much.
My Combat Karambit isn't migrating, but the Super Karambit sure did when I waved it a fair bit; ditto for both Comrades I've owned.
BUT those blade have more mass, which I think is the culprit here.
What do the rest of you think?

 

[A.P.F.]

I think that using SIFU1A's measurements from the middle of the liner, my Emersons lock up at or before the 1/3 point on the tang.

I think that if you are not satisfied with the lockup, Emerson will take care of it for you.

I think that as long as you have a solid lockup, use the knife until the lockup is problematic and if so, send it in.

I think that people are unreasonably paranoid about liner-locks.

I think that I will make myself an Irish Coffee!

 

[RobME]

I think that all of what you said is right. Nice Ten - Trade for a Horseman? (didn't think so).