Which Busse Knife to Purchase?

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I am new to this forum and have noticed that Busse knives have almost a cult status. I Just won a Swamp Rat Crash axe on ebay and I am very impressed with it. I now possess three Randall's. A Model 12 Sportsman's Bowie 9 inch (circa 1967), a model 14 about 7 inches with border patrol handle (circa 1980) and a Model 1, 5 1/2 inch for outdoor use. The first two have been carried and well used while I was in the Military. I would be interested in obtaining a Busse or Swamp Rat to replace each of these. I know that a BM would be comparable to the Model 12. I would like a combat/field knife about 7 inches long and a utility knife between 3 and 4 inches long for outdoor activities. Can you give me any suggestions? What is the difference in the steel and manufacture of a Busse vs. a Swamp Rat? Are they better than my Randall's? (I probably will start a flame war over that question) I realize that there is a lot of questions here, but thats how you learn. Thanks for you patience and I am looking forward to your replys.
 
I am new to this forum and have noticed that Busse knives have almost a cult status.
I know you aren't saying that Busse fans are memebers of a cult, but I'd like to clarify why Busse fans aren't like other knife fanboys. It because we use our knives and belive in INFI. We know how other knives handle, and we are constantly amazed by the durability of INFI, and how much they just blow the competition away. Where other knives chip, bend, and break, Busses just take a licking and keep asking for more. Jerry Busse guarantees this with an unsurpassed guarantee against ANY unintentional damage.
Also, to back up how strong Busses actually are, the Busse sword, the AK47 falls under the same guarantee. EVEN against throwing the thing. How many $20,000 swords are guaranteed in any way even close?!?!?
Knife companies with cult followings do not follow logic or reason. They say they their knives are the strongest and the best, when they are made with ATS34, then BG42, then S30V, when the whole time A2 is both quite a bit stronger and holds an edge much longer. They feel that cord wrapping is the greatest thing since swiss cheese, even though it takes about 1/4 of the time (or less) to put on the knife, and they pay INSANE amounts for cash for "Wicked, Bad Ass" grinds that are no more useful than a drop point, and about as straight as a drunk walking up a steep hill.
Blech. I have a bad taste in my mouth now!
There's lot of other cults too, but I'll let you discover them on your own. One other worth mentioning is an insanely hardened chrome plated knife that sells for a minimum of $1000 each, usually up in to the $2000 range, that are known for breaking, even though I think they are differentially tempered. Forget that, I'll take the POWER OF INFI any day.
[rant over]
 
For the mid size, wait for the ASH-1. You will be able to order it straight from Busse instead of paying a secondary market premium, but you will have to wait a while to get the knife.

I would suggest a Hell Razor if you want Infi and you don't want to wait, or a Swamp Rat Mini Uncle Mojo if you want something less expensive with Micarta scales, or a Scrap Yard Mini Uncle Mojo if you don't mind a rubber handle (which I think is more comfortable than the Swamp Rat's).

For a small knife, look at the Game Warden, Active Duty and Meaner Street. They are all easy to find right now and pretty cheap even on the secondary market. Also look at the Swamp Rat HRLM, Ratmandu and the un-named Rat Warden that they just started selling.
 
I would recommend a BATAC for the 5 1/2" and an Active Duty for the 3"-4". Both brands are made from the proprietary INFI steel. I will defer to those in the know as to the subtle, if any, differences in the manufacturing process (i.e. handles and such). They are extremely solid knives with a warranty that is among the best in the industry based on my limited knowledge and experience. -DT
 
I would recommend a BATAC for the 5 1/2" and an Active Duty for the 3"-4". Both brands are made from the proprietary INFI steel. I will defer to those in the know as to the subtle, if any, differences in the manufacturing process (i.e. handles and such). They are extremely solid knives with a warranty that is among the best in the industry based on my limited knowledge and experience. -DT

Not only that, the two mentioned above are widely available on the Exchange..and also the Meaner.
 
I EDC an old style SJ (blade 6+") and either an AD (3") or a LrMS (4"), same reasons you stated, that's the size I've always carried.

oh, and you get to learn the jargon.

Welcome
 
Good suggestions all around so far. These guys know their stuff so listen to there recommendations.

First of all this ain't no cult. Busse/Swamp Rat/Scrap Yard owners are the real deal. Sure there are a bunch of us that are collectors, others that are users and some are a combination of the two. But as Walking_Man noted we buy from these companies because they produce high quality knives out of superior materials and provide what is arguably the BEST warranty and customer service in the industry. Just look through all the posts and you'll be amazed at how many time you get to interact directly with staff on the forum. If you have a problem they make it right, no BS. That is a MAJOR bonus these days when products can be crap and customer service even crappier. Off my soap box for now.

Secondly, you can't go wrong with Busse/Swamp Rat/Scrap Yard. They all have there place in the industry. Busse with its INFI steel is the high end stuff. You'll see that in both the production line and the customs. Fit and finish are top of the line. INFI has a proprietary heat treat that makes the steel extremely tough. It tends to roll out of shape rather than chip. Most rolls are easily stropped back into place. For more info read this:

http://www.bussecombat.com/infi/index.shtml

Swamp Rat uses SR-101 steel which is modified 52-100 tool steel. In my opinion it is the best bang for the buck. The Rats have a more utilitarian design. That's not to say that the products are inferior. There are some beautiful models, some not as pretty, but all beg to be beat on. Fit and finish are also great.

This description is on www.swampshack.com.
SR-101 Steel is the combination of an extremely fine-grained tool steel and a proprietary multi-step tempering protocol. This process includes the incorporation of a deep cryogenic treatment for grain refinement with the added benefits of differential tempering which add greatly to the overall toughness and strength of what will most certainly prove to be your favourite blade.

Scrap Yard is just that in most cases. The staff dumpster dives and we get to reap the benefits of their findings. Scrapped INFI, old discontinued handles, you could see just about anything in one of their knives. They also use their own steel SR-77. See specs here:

Heat Treat and Tempering
It is in this process that the very soul of a blades performance will be born. It can also be the most expensive process involved in the making of a fine blade. Sadly, the knife buying public has been led to believe that Rockwell Hardness is some sort of gauge by which to determine performance. This is ridiculous! Following standard ASTM heat treating and tempering protocols, a blade made from a standard tool steel can be "properly" heat treated and tempered in less than 1-1/2 hours and brought to a hardness of 57-59 Rc. So what! Take one of our blades that has received our proprietary heat treat and tempering protocol of over 40 hrs. and it will also test out at 57-59 Rc. The fact is that one of our transversion wave tempered SR-77 blades that tests out at 57-59 Rc will spank the living hell out of a standard heat treated knife blade out of the same material that also has a 57-59 Rc hardness.
Grain structure and carbide distribution, are the keys to great performance NOT Rockwell hardness!


Fit and finish are less important. It's all about functionality with SY. They don't call Dan Busse Dan "the Hack" for nothing.

Now for the most important part. What blades to look at. First check out the Busse Collector website (http://www.bussecollector.com/gpage.html5.html) or BadMOJO (http://homepage.mac.com/zombiekiller/badmojo/index.html). Both are EXCELLENT online resources about past and current models, specs, rarities, etc. Great pictures as well.

I would consider something like Busse's Natural Outlaw Ergo (NO-E) or Satin Jack Tactical (SJTAC) for 6-inchers, Busse's Hell Razor (HR) or Special Forces Natural Outlaw (SFNO) for 7-inchers. Good luck buying an SFNO without taking out a second mortgage. If you can get away with 5" blade try a Combat Grade Badger Attack Tactical (BATAC). If you go with Swamp Rat look for a Camp Tramp (Res-C handles) or a Ratweiler (micarta handles).

For your smaller blade I concur with the rest. Busse's Active Duty (AD) or Meaner Street (MrS). Any of the variations will do you good. They are great EDCs. The Game Warden (GW) ain't so bad either. They all serve their purposes well. That said I think the AD is the best compromise of the three. Swamp Rat doesn't really have a comparable model, but the Bandicoot is like the MrS. If you want INFI you could also look for an INFIcoot on the exchange. Or try to find a ScrapYard Street Scrapper 4 (SS4). It's a similar profile with a Res-C mudder style handle with dumpster divin' INFI.

Whew! Sorry to ramble on so much. There is a lot to learn about this stuff and the more I babble the more I commit to memory. Good luck with your search. The gang over here on the Busse and Swamp Rat fourms is great. Don't hesitate to ask any question. YOu may get your balls busted a bit, but that's part of the fun.
 
I can't find that on the site, where did you see that one for sale or when?

A skeletonized handled knife, roughly Warden size, on the Rat table at Blade. Pics on the Rat forum. Your agent didn't tell you about those? :p
 
I can't find that on the site, where did you see that one for sale or when?

Eric calls it the Rat Warden. I'm calling it the Rat Bone or Rat Carcass. It's basically SWKWs version of the Skeleton Warden, but it was only availabe at Blade West so far. Eric said he wasn't sure if he was going to get any at the store. I could have sworn I saw one for sale on the exchange, but I'll be damned if I could find it now. Maybe I imagined the whole thing.
 
A skeletonized handled knife, roughly Warden size, on the Rat table at Blade. Pics on the Rat forum. Your agent didn't tell you about those? :p


Oh that one.... let me know when it gets a handle on it. :thumbup:
 
Hey, guys... Let's keep this real.......
Seriously. It's hard to get some of these models.
Right now, I'd suggest getting either the sage or muddy active duty or leaner meaners OR a game warden OR a scotch dispenser, since you can get any of those relatively cheap. That's what I'd do.
Right now, since there isn't a huge supply of at cost Busse with a 6 or 7 inch blade, I'd get a Scrap yard or a Swamp Rat.
OR you could just wait a month or two, and get the ASH-1.... that is the Anniversary Steel Heart 1, straight from the Busse company which is about 6 inches, right?
The Batac has been mention, which is a great knife, but might be just a tad small for you. Especially if you decide on a Meaner or Leaner street.
 
The ASH1 will be a great knife.

it is the second from the bottom here (from top down) Game Warden, Lean Meaner Streets, ASH1 SE, FBM-SE

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Hey, guys... Let's keep this real.......
Seriously. It's hard to get some of these models.
Right now, I'd suggest getting either the sage or muddy active duty or leaner meaners OR a game warden OR a scotch dispenser, since you can get any of those relatively cheap. That's what I'd do.
Right now, since there isn't a huge supply of at cost Busse with a 6 or 7 inch blade, I'd get a Scrap yard or a Swamp Rat.
OR you could just wait a month or two, and get the ASH-1.... that is the Anniversary Steel Heart 1, straight from the Busse company which is about 6 inches, right?
The Batac has been mention, which is a great knife, but might be just a tad small for you. Especially if you decide on a Meaner or Leaner street.
 
I can't really say much that hasn't been said by anyone else: EXCEPT- What started as a bunch of guys into knives ended up with a bunch of fanatical followers whose fanaticism is very much justifiable :p we also make ritual sacrafices of dork ops and m-techs to the sharp edges of our Busse's :D call it a cult if you will ;)
 
You know, this was never brought up, but when Dave Brown cut through that DARK OPs....
He was only cutting through aluminum. He probably could have done the same with a Pakistani knife, but I don't think that the Dork Ops steel is really THAT bad. I don't really consider that an effective test of the weakness of a dark ops knife, since most knifemakers use a brass rod to test the hardness of their knives.
BTW, as far my being a cult member..... see my sig. line.
 
Yup, basically cult members. We bow down to the head hog....our pork fu is strong.
 
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