seems like whenever you browse knife maker pages one always sees the model that "the military uses" or that was "created for the navy seals" or developed in conjuction with the commander of XYZ division etc etc. which one of these claims actually holds water? i'm sure most of these claims are true in some regards, but which knives actually see service? how much is just hype? keep in mind this deals with folders.
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which folders have been adopted by military
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well there is the old 4 blade utility folder with metal scales adopted after world war 2 (end of world war 2, in that time frame) made by camillus, imperial, and other cutlerys. Theres the electricians knife with black plastic handles, one spear blade, one screwdriver combination wire stripper, made by camillus and others. There were also other folders, such as the small colonial three blade stockman with plastic grips, which go in the survival kits attached to the ba-18 survivial chutes (I know this as I use to work in survival equipment in the Af for 8 yrs, until getting out for disability from health problems from desert shield/storm). there are the leahtermans, and some of the gerbers (pliers) that were issued out also. There are the old pockets knives made by numerous cutlerys, such as camillus. Many of these resemble stockmans and have bone, or plastic scales. The only way to know these a=for sure would be that would be stamped US GOVERMENT, or US GOVT or US, ect.
One thing you have to understand is that the military will list knives that are approved in the federal catalog and then all that has to be done is them to be ordered for a purpose, that can be justified and its done. An example would be the f/u knife, better known as the Kabar (generically anymore, because only ontario holds the contract for these, since the early 80's) its listed in the federal catalog with a federal stock no., and only has to be ordered (as long as its justified of course). when an item is approved its listed in the federal catalog for supply purposes. Theres much info about this, one you can find in the catalog is some of the automatic benchmades.
I would suggest you post this on levines forum for better info.
One thing you have to understand is that the military will list knives that are approved in the federal catalog and then all that has to be done is them to be ordered for a purpose, that can be justified and its done. An example would be the f/u knife, better known as the Kabar (generically anymore, because only ontario holds the contract for these, since the early 80's) its listed in the federal catalog with a federal stock no., and only has to be ordered (as long as its justified of course). when an item is approved its listed in the federal catalog for supply purposes. Theres much info about this, one you can find in the catalog is some of the automatic benchmades.
I would suggest you post this on levines forum for better info.
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Among the many are the Benchmade AFO and AutoStryker... Both Switchblades.
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When I was in the USCG there were marlin spike folders, those steel-scaled utility folders and electrician's knives, usually made by Camillus. Nothing special but it got the job done.
Oh yeah, also Gerber Multi-pliers or whatever multi-tool was in the catalog that you could bull$!t your Department Head into approving.
Oh yeah, also Gerber Multi-pliers or whatever multi-tool was in the catalog that you could bull$!t your Department Head into approving.
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lol dealers do love the "this is what they're using in the sand box now" line.
What actually sees service is what soldiers buy from the PX - Cold Steel, Spyderco, CRKT, Gerber, etc. Soldiers who get knives issued are limited to MOS and the necessity of the tool. Others are from the approved NSN list as justified, then unit purchases, which is where the huge variety of claims "used in the military" come from.
Most soldiers don't want to have to account for a mundane item like a knife at turn-in time, so they buy what they want. Less hassle, and they get what they feel is the proper tool for them, not a low cost bid item.
The really horrible truth is that soldiers in general don't carry knives any more than sheeple, because they don't have any more use for them than the average civilian. Just like tradesmen, they are carried more often by technicians who actually use them.
It is amusing that some HQ's types seem to have the really high end knives, rather than the grunt in the field. I think they're compensating for something.
Most soldiers don't want to have to account for a mundane item like a knife at turn-in time, so they buy what they want. Less hassle, and they get what they feel is the proper tool for them, not a low cost bid item.
The really horrible truth is that soldiers in general don't carry knives any more than sheeple, because they don't have any more use for them than the average civilian. Just like tradesmen, they are carried more often by technicians who actually use them.
It is amusing that some HQ's types seem to have the really high end knives, rather than the grunt in the field. I think they're compensating for something.
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What tirod said only nearly every Marine Grunt I served with carried something. Whether a LM for clearing stoppages or a pocket knife or KA BAR for opening MRE's and playin with, but for the most part tirod hit the nail on the head.
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most just carry a multi-tool type deal, either that or something really simple. i mean, who'd wanna carry a $900 "custom tactical combat knife" when a cheapie Ka Bar would suffice? i'm think they'd rather spend that kind of money on something else
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Of course all the REAL navy seal/special forces people carry DarkOps.:jerkit:
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This was the first knife I was ever issued, the awe inspiring "US" knife.
Just the thing to chase down terrorist and conduct an interigation.
But, as most people have said, each unit buys their own. I had one unit give out the Applegate-Fairbairn Mini Covert. Is it at all a useful knife in theater? No, but the guy who spent the money thought it 'looked cool' so he bought a bunch for everyone. Most folks who want a good knife buy their own, at least in all the unit's I've ever been in.
Just the thing to chase down terrorist and conduct an interigation.
But, as most people have said, each unit buys their own. I had one unit give out the Applegate-Fairbairn Mini Covert. Is it at all a useful knife in theater? No, but the guy who spent the money thought it 'looked cool' so he bought a bunch for everyone. Most folks who want a good knife buy their own, at least in all the unit's I've ever been in.also remember soilders take their own knives and more and more frequently (at least from what i have heard in conversations) side arms as well.
so to say "used by the military" all you have to see is one guy with it.
over all the military never splurges on general issue items so i wouldnt expect anything special unless you look at SF, rescue swimers, or other specialties.
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so to say "used by the military" all you have to see is one guy with it.
over all the military never splurges on general issue items so i wouldnt expect anything special unless you look at SF, rescue swimers, or other specialties.
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Someone is giving you very bad information. I believe rule number one "over there" is still - NO personal firearms. period.
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When you have a Beretta M9 (92 FS) at your side you can't get any better unless you have a .45 ACP for want of a bigger hole.
o really? i had heard from a few guys that were being deployed they could take side arms, i think one restriction was something like they could not be brought back.
-matt
It's been variable - DS1, no major problems, this time, re-importation issues, used of non-Geneva ammo, etc, etc. Plus "battlefield pickups" are a dead issue - none.
It gets back to the load limit on EDC. Why carry a low use item when you are already humping 65 pounds of vest, basic load of ammo for the primary firearm, a few tools, water, first aid, team kit, etc etc. So most drop the big knives, toys, and ninja kit real quick back in the duffel. Case in point: walk up six flights of stairs with a bag of concrete over your shoulder to go "home."
Doing that for two weeks at Brightstar 01 will put a spring in your step.
It gets back to the load limit on EDC. Why carry a low use item when you are already humping 65 pounds of vest, basic load of ammo for the primary firearm, a few tools, water, first aid, team kit, etc etc. So most drop the big knives, toys, and ninja kit real quick back in the duffel. Case in point: walk up six flights of stairs with a bag of concrete over your shoulder to go "home."
Doing that for two weeks at Brightstar 01 will put a spring in your step.