DeadboxHero
Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider
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* The Nitrogen steels will trickle in with time. Manufactures are still needing to be educated about the advantages to them and that there not like H1 steel and actually hold an edge and can even out cut S30v/S35VN.
Especially when you consider the improved stability, ease of sharpening and edge toughness.
Just REALLY, REALLY expensive steel.
Nitrogen doesn't want to be in the iron at high volume so it's very fancy with the methods they use to get it in there. (Hence why it's so expensive despite the abundance of nitrogen-76% of the atmosphere we breath
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* The Patina just reduces the reactivity on the blade, doesn't protect against rust so the blade will need to be kept dry. A patina is typey or inactive rust with a darker grey/blue/black color.
The enemy is red/orange rust, VERY active. It will EAT the surface of the knife. If you let it run away those craters and pits becomes chips as you sharpen the knife.
Just use "Bar Keepers Friend" in powder form with some water and a scotchbrite pad. That's the best, most economical way to remove rust. Takes ZERO elbow grease.
* Yes, peoples knives rust. Climate and body sweat are big factors. A dude in the arid desert that doesn't sweat, doesn't complain much about carbon steel
I have no problems with carbon steel. Just more time consuming with maintenance.
Is nitrogen steel better then plain carbon? Of course, but it costs 20x more.
So I'm a fan of carbon steel too when cost is the most important factor. However some users will get more VALUE from nitrogen steels even at the higher cost. YMMV.
Also, FYI, PM Carbon Tool steels (10v, 15v, Rex121) are still the edge holding leaders.
Thanks to the high Hardness that can be achieved in the matrix itself and the vanadium carbide rich particles that form at high volume inside that matrix.
Problem is people generally aren't great at sharpening as a whole, and the lower edge toughness and stability will really show users that aren't using there knives properly signs of abuse at the apex.
Makes one question, should a knife steel make up for peoples handicaps in sharpening and misuse? Or should it enhance peoples abilities that are at a high level.
There's no answer to that.
Especially when you consider the improved stability, ease of sharpening and edge toughness.
Just REALLY, REALLY expensive steel.
Nitrogen doesn't want to be in the iron at high volume so it's very fancy with the methods they use to get it in there. (Hence why it's so expensive despite the abundance of nitrogen-76% of the atmosphere we breath
)* The Patina just reduces the reactivity on the blade, doesn't protect against rust so the blade will need to be kept dry. A patina is typey or inactive rust with a darker grey/blue/black color.
The enemy is red/orange rust, VERY active. It will EAT the surface of the knife. If you let it run away those craters and pits becomes chips as you sharpen the knife.
Just use "Bar Keepers Friend" in powder form with some water and a scotchbrite pad. That's the best, most economical way to remove rust. Takes ZERO elbow grease.
* Yes, peoples knives rust. Climate and body sweat are big factors. A dude in the arid desert that doesn't sweat, doesn't complain much about carbon steel
I have no problems with carbon steel. Just more time consuming with maintenance.
Is nitrogen steel better then plain carbon? Of course, but it costs 20x more.
So I'm a fan of carbon steel too when cost is the most important factor. However some users will get more VALUE from nitrogen steels even at the higher cost. YMMV.
Also, FYI, PM Carbon Tool steels (10v, 15v, Rex121) are still the edge holding leaders.
Thanks to the high Hardness that can be achieved in the matrix itself and the vanadium carbide rich particles that form at high volume inside that matrix.
Problem is people generally aren't great at sharpening as a whole, and the lower edge toughness and stability will really show users that aren't using there knives properly signs of abuse at the apex.
Makes one question, should a knife steel make up for peoples handicaps in sharpening and misuse? Or should it enhance peoples abilities that are at a high level.
There's no answer to that.
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