Which machete is for me? (leaning towards Ontario 18'')

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I'd say that I really just want something that is really tough and will last. The ESEE lite machete looks good (and looked great on dual survival), but I'm not sure that I really want a "lite" machete ... the ontario looks quite a bit beefier (thus I would think it would be stronger). And the ontario isn't much heavier. The big price difference doesn't hurt either.

It is basically going to split time with my wetterlings for various camp chores such as preparing fire materials, clearing areas for a tent, etc. But for anything I buy for camping, I like to think that it can withstand abuse if I find myself in a pickle.

I know there are some other respected brands out there, so I'd like input as to whether you think there is a better brand. Also, the 22'' looks like it is a little much, so I am thinking 18 inches instead, but any opinions on this are welcome as well.

Also see my very similar post about finding a folding shovel...
 
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the Ontario 18" is good for those tasks.Another option (but a little shorter) is the Condor Parang.It's 17",1/4" thick 1075 carbon steel (which is a little more impact resistant than Ontario's 1095) and comes wth a razor sharp convexed edge.
 
I like Condors and the ESEE (I dont have one but I will explain why) the best, I have used Ontario, Marble, and Condor to date. You said you want something tough...Ontario is a tank but it comes at the cost of weight. I have used several 23" El Salvador style machetes. The condor had the best and sharpest edge of all (I think the ESEE is even better...and it is Convex...even though the blade is made by Imacasa I believe the edge is put on by ESEE by hand), it was also finished the best by far...the ontario was dull and needed touch up. I like a sharp machete...more on that later. I would do a 23" also...you could get away with an 18" probably pretty easy but the longer you use a machete the longer and lighter you want it. I have a short marble bolo (14") and it is nice but for clearing areas it takes longer and it is thicker and heavier...wearing me out faster. I cant baton with it as well and they put an awesome edge on it.

To be honest...I might recommend the Lite Machete over the Condor. Here is why. The blade is made by Imacasa (Condor) so it will be tough even if it is thin but the handle is not! 1075 is a tough as nails steel. The ESEE is also light, coming in at 17oz and will not wear you out swinging it around. The Ontario will...I dont care what anyone says!!! The same length ontario is heavier...the blade is thicker and the edge is duller. Not to mention the handle is hard and tends to create hot spots. For brush clearing it will not do as good of a job...dull blades tend knock down more than cut. Also the handle...micarta is comfortable and tend not to create hot spots as I mentioned if used for longer periods of time...imagine a heavier blade...you fill in the blanks. But micarta also helps eat up the shock better. Honestly do the ESEE and be done with it. I am almost certain you will love it.

As for your Shovel...go to cheaper than dirt and get a Germany E-Tool. They are cheap, a tank and have a pick as well. The new Chinese E-tool is awesome but I couldnt find one. Check this out!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o&feature=player_embedded


I WANT ONE!!! I get a chubby every time I see all the uses!!
 
How about something different? 24" overall 18" blade weight 1lb 3.5oz $19.99
Imacasa Rozador
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edit to add price I paid
 
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the ESEE lite blade is made by imacasa/condor, made and sharpened in el salvadore. the handle is made by rowen here in the states. love mine:thumbup:

i really don't like my ontario machete.
tramontina makes a decent blade, easy to sharpen, and easy on the wallet. you might have to work on the handle, though.
 
Yeah I was thinking the 1075 must be a better choice since ESEE of course uses 1095 for their knives but specifically doesn't use it for the machete ... my understanding is that 1075 has less carbon and therefore less stiffness. Along with the convex edge, maybe even making its more durable for machete-ing purposes than the thicker ontario?

Whatever the case, when I saw the lite machete on dual survival, it really looked like it could really tear through some wood, and had a great combo of flexibility and strength. I haven't used a lot of machete type blades in my life but it performed a lot better than I ever would have expected from a machete.

Sounds like I should be taking a good look at handles as well as the blade. If the esee has micarta, that's worth paying some more to me.

Sweet, I need some more info about your blades ... and soapbox, I could use a little less info (referring to the commentary about your chubbies). Just playin, good info. Thanks to everyone.
 
The reflection in the picture makes my Condor edge look chewed up...It is certainly not...razorsharp no chips on every inch! It has seen its fair share of hardwood and saplings...brush, branches, etc. Never sharpened yet!! Doesnt need it.
 
I like Condors and the ESEE (I dont have one but I will explain why) the best, I have used Ontario, Marble, and Condor to date. You said you want something tough...Ontario is a tank but it comes at the cost of weight. I have used several 23" El Salvador style machetes. The condor had the best and sharpest edge of all (I think the ESEE is even better...and it is Convex...even though the blade is made by Imacasa I believe the edge is put on by ESEE by hand), it was also finished the best by far...the ontario was dull and needed touch up. I like a sharp machete...more on that later. I would do a 23" also...you could get away with an 18" probably pretty easy but the longer you use a machete the longer and lighter you want it. I have a short marble bolo (14") and it is nice but for clearing areas it takes longer and it is thicker and heavier...wearing me out faster. I cant baton with it as well and they put an awesome edge on it.

To be honest...I might recommend the Lite Machete over the Condor. Here is why. The blade is made by Imacasa (Condor) so it will be tough even if it is thin but the handle is not! 1075 is a tough as nails steel. The ESEE is also light, coming in at 17oz and will not wear you out swinging it around. The Ontario will...I dont care what anyone says!!! The same length ontario is heavier...the blade is thicker and the edge is duller. Not to mention the handle is hard and tends to create hot spots. For brush clearing it will not do as good of a job...dull blades tend knock down more than cut. Also the handle...micarta is comfortable and tend not to create hot spots as I mentioned if used for longer periods of time...imagine a heavier blade...you fill in the blanks. But micarta also helps eat up the shock better. Honestly do the ESEE and be done with it. I am almost certain you will love it.

As for your Shovel...go to cheaper than dirt and get a Germany E-Tool. They are cheap, a tank and have a pick as well. The new Chinese E-tool is awesome but I couldnt find one. Check this out!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o&feature=player_embedded


I WANT ONE!!! I get a chubby every time I see all the uses!!


As much as I want that chinese E-Tool I'm not willing to shell out 100 USD for it! I can do everything in that video with a pair of pliers and an older E-tool (the current US Issue E-tool has that handle that while is great for shoveling makes it akward to chop with and whatnot).
 
I have a Condor Eco Light which I think is the same blade that ESEE uses.It is however only $20.I have chopped 4-6 inch seasoned Oak with mine with no problems and it takes great big chunks out of the wood.The only thing the thicker machetes are better for is batoning.
 
For chopping, control is everything. People swear by 18-24 inch blades due to chopping performance but I can guarantee you a well placed light swing with a 12 inch machete will vastly outperform a wild bludgeoning from a 18-24 inch. You need to decide how long of a blade you want to be packing, how long and heavy of a blade you can control with precise placement, and the balance between the two.

I started with a 12 inch Ontario US issue Camp Machete. It saw lots of use and abuse both in Florida and in Idaho. Good 1095 steel though the factory edge needs to be reprofiled-I highly recommend a flat grind. I find it holds the best balance between edge retention and performance on this machete. The plastic grip is comfortable and secure, blade design is good for multi use. Blade is about .125 inches thick, which is thick enough-though there's not much heft for chopping performance. Allaround a good multitask lightweight machete that offers really good control.

Tramontina 12 and 14 inchers are very similar in design, size, steel performance and factory finish to the Ontarios. The blade is naked and the handle is made of wood, but the steel is of the same thickness. Again expect to put your own edge on and I recommend a flat grind. Very lightweight, good balance of strength and weight for packing long distances, bushwacking and camp tasks. There's a slight upsweep to the blade, which takes away from the weight-forward chopping efficiency, but adds belly for slicing efficiently through green stuff. It's pretty easy to tell the 12 and 14 inch machetes were designed with slicing through jungle vegetation, though it is a capable multi purpose design. The wood handles are secure and very comfortable. No lanyard hole, though... They cost 6 bucks.

As far as Condor goes, well... they simply rock. Very reasonable price, much thicker blades than the other two brands, and a shaving sharp finish from the factory. They come with convex grinds and perform well that way. I like the walnut handles better than the overmolded plastic (Joe we need a wood handled El Salvador!), though the plastic ones are also comfy, grippy and secure. Condor offers many great designs and you have to evaluate what your needs are. Some designs have solid working points, some don't. Some designs have good long flat blade portions for drawknifing and battoning, some don't. Some designs have a strong weight forward balance for chopping performance, some don't. No matter what you're sacrificing performance somewhere, though... the beauty to machetes is they run between 15 and 30 bucks. The Bolo is a GREAT place to start. 15 inches long, good weight-forward feel, good belly, long flat portion for drawknifing though the tip leaves a bit to be desired. Great multiuse machete and not difficult to pack. The Condor Khukri is really becoming a favorite. It is so well designed for chopping, bushwacking etc and it's only got a 13 inch blade. Very easy to pack, exceptional control and extreme biting performance for chopping. The recurve blade gives it a long slicing edge for clearing vegetation, too. This machete is a true high performance blade in a small package, though you sacrifice drawknifing capability with the recurve blade. The golok is similar in that it places weight forward for chopping performance, though it offers no real point and some drawknifing and battoning capability that the khukri doesn't have. The El Salvador has some point, some belly, and good drawknifing capability. It's a real allarounder but not as efficient in any given task. Similar design to the Ontario and Tram, so you have to decide if you need the Condor fit and finish and convex profile over cost effectiveness.

I would kill for a Svord bush machete. Convex edge, 15N20 steel and a real comfy lookin' handle. It's got a bulbous cutlass design that looks like a great balance between chopping performance, tipwork, and drawknifing/batonning capability. The cheapest I can find one though is 120 bucks... I'm sure they go for 10 or so in New Zealand.

All of these brands offer a quality product that will last as a good recreational trail and survival tool. Again, the beauty of a machete is it's cheap and begs to be used. If it were me, I'd get a Condor Bolo/tram combo or Condor Khukri/tram combo for your less-than-30-dollars mark. I've got lots of good pictures but just got back from a 3 day backpacking trip in the heart of the Payette wilderness so once I get settled I'll post some.

here it is, I wrote this up to a question someone had in the ESEE forums. I'll add I got extensive use out of some Trams this morning. The factory handles are GREAT-there are some slightly squarish edges that can easily be buffed out in 2 minutes with 100 grit sandpaper, but for the most part the handles are extremely comfy. I put a full V grind on mine, finished to 1000 grit, and using no force other than gravity the blade was biting an inch or so into cottonwoods and locusts. Even though it's light, a well applied full flat grind in combination with the thin blade allows for very deep biting performance-nice and light for precise V notches too.
 
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I've been using a Tramontina with an 18" blade in the White Mountains for general hiking and camping chores for about 10 years. It does everything that expect a machete to do quite well. No issues or complaints with it. And the price is easy to take.
 
What did you think of that Chinese E-Tool?

I think I'm going to get rid of all other knives and tools and just use that ... but seriously, I'd like one, but the only ones I saw were for like 90 bucks. No thanks at that price. I'm hoping that since it is new, they will become more available (they have to right? if china makes one of something for the army, doesn't it have to make a few million?), the price will drop.
 
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