Which one? Police or Military?

cabala said:
Skip this both and buy Bladetech Magnum Hunter ( two " light " models in case you lost one. During war in my country i had Spyderco Endura 1 generation for cutting cloth in emergency and it was OK. Endura is in my opinion better choice (two pieces, plain and serrated or plain both). But when i see Bladetech magnums ( " lite " ), wished to had them. War is over but i have 10 - 15 pieces of everything.
Police and Military are to expensive, Police has to spike blade, to long for pocket, and to heavy. Military is to light ( you never sure is it in a pocket or clip ) and has notch on blade that must hitch on cloth or rope instead of cut it. It has also very sharp tip and potentially can hurt wounded place.
Blade Tech ( plain ) is OK.
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:rolleyes:

So the Military at 4.1 ounces is too light, and the Police at 4.86 ounces is too heavy? That's a pretty narrow weight limit to restrict yourself to, and an interesting one, considering the folder you're recommending from blade tech weighs less than the Military.

Also, what notch are you talking about? The finger choil? If so, it doesn't hitch, because it doesn't have a sharpening choil on the blade. The cutting edge goes all the way to the stock thickness part of the tang, so there's nothing for materials to get hung up on but sharpened blade.

Based on the bit of searching I did, you can get the 440C blade tech for the same price as a ZDP189 Endura. The bladetech looks good but your rationale for suggesting it does not.

OP: I lean towards the Military for better ergos, lighter weight, pointer tip and better materials available. I got mine modded with a tip up clip for a better draw. The Police is awesome in it's own right, the Millie just works better for me. Definitely a "buy both" scenario if there ever was one. You do have more than one pocket after all. :D
 
the military is a better knife. better steel, longer blade, better handle, lighter. however, the police is a lockback, has a bit stronger tip, and a slimmer profile. id still pick the military any day
 
Vivi said:
:rolleyes:

So the Military at 4.1 ounces is too light, and the Police at 4.86 ounces is too heavy? That's a pretty narrow weight limit to restrict yourself to, and an interesting one, considering the folder you're recommending from blade tech weighs less than the Military.

Also, what notch are you talking about? The finger choil? If so, it doesn't hitch, because it doesn't have a sharpening choil on the blade. The cutting edge goes all the way to the stock thickness part of the tang, so there's nothing for materials to get hung up on but sharpened blade.

Based on the bit of searching I did, you can get the 440C blade tech for the same price as a ZDP189 Endura. The bladetech looks good but your rationale for suggesting it does not.

OP: I lean towards the Military for better ergos, lighter weight, pointer tip and better materials available. I got mine modded with a tip up clip for a better draw. The Police is awesome in it's own right, the Millie just works better for me. Definitely a "buy both" scenario if there ever was one. You do have more than one pocket after all. :D
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Police isn't so light, it's too long and too heavy. Military is much lighter. Both of them are too expensive and as i say, two Enduras, or even better, two bladetech lite hunters are my choice. Bladetech knife has really excellent shape but last endura is also great. I carried military and police on civilian cloth and uniform and this knives must be reworked seriously for real situations. Best would be some less expensive version of terzuola c19 but spyderco won't making this blade.
 
michaelmcgo said:
Not to turn this into a which lock is better war, but that means virtually nothing. The shear strength of steel is so incredibly high, that would not be the area where the lock fails. If you were to stress the lock by pushing on the blade edge, you would most likely destroy the FRN before the backlock sheared off.
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Well said:thumbup:.

As for the question....I own both,I like both.I would go with the military by a hair,the reason is better handle ergo's,lighter weight,better blade steel and material options.Its also a faster opening blade and keener tip if you choose to use it as sd option.

You will own both in time, just buy which one you get the best deal on first.
 
Can someone who owns both post comparitive pics on blade thickness?
 
Police. The Military tends to unlock when you don't want it to.
 
It probably comes down to whether you prefer a thin knife, or one that fills your hand. The Police has a very slim profile, and 4 way carry. The Military is probably more comfortable, and is a little lighter, but only has one carry position. On these knives the lock is pretty much a non issue, either one should do everything you would ask of it in EDC.
 
cabala said:
Police isn't so light, it's too long and too heavy. Military is much lighter.
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:confused:Ummm, you may want to go back to the beginning of the thread and look at which model/variant of Spyderco Police is actually being discussed.

cabala said:
I carried military and police on civilian cloth and uniform and this knives must be reworked seriously for real situations.
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Anytime you carry a knife "on civilian cloth," you're going to have to "rework" it. Just carry it in your pocket for Pete's sake!;):D

Regards,
3G
 
This might help.





^ Police 3, Military BG42, Endura 4






Police 3:

# Handle: 5 1/2 inches long, G10 with skeletonized steel liners with torx screw construction
# Blade: 4 3/8 inches long with a 4 inch cutting edge, VG10 steel with a full flat grind
# Lock: Lockback
# Weight: 4.86 ounces
# Thumb to tip: 4 1/8 inches
# Index finger to cutting edge: 1 1/4 inches, 1/16 inches using the choil


BG42 Military

# Handle: 5 1/2 inches long, Carbon Fiber with nested liners, torx screw construction
# Blade: 3 7/8 inches long with 3 11/16 inch cutting edge, BG42 blade steel, full flat ground
# Lock: Liner lock
# Weight: 4.1oz
# Thumb to tip: 3 15/16 inches
# Index finger to cutting edge: 1 1/16th inch out of choil, 1/8 inch in choil
 
I definitely prefer the Military (particularly the Para form). It's got much better ergonomics to my hand, the finger choil seems a little deeper to me and is maybe an added level of safety in case of lock failure, and the action of the knife is much easier...much easier to flick/deploy. Also easier to close.

Hard to beat the Military. Too big for me, but that's just me.
 
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Thanks for the pics. I really am going to have to buy both.

The knives keep piling up :D
 
Vivi said:
:rolleyes:

So the Military at 4.1 ounces is too light, and the Police at 4.86 ounces is too heavy? That's a pretty narrow weight limit to restrict yourself to, and an interesting one, considering the folder you're recommending from blade tech weighs less than the Military.

Also, what notch are you talking about? The finger choil? If so, it doesn't hitch, because it doesn't have a sharpening choil on the blade. The cutting edge goes all the way to the stock thickness part of the tang, so there's nothing for materials to get hung up on but sharpened blade.

Based on the bit of searching I did, you can get the 440C blade tech for the same price as a ZDP189 Endura. The bladetech looks good but your rationale for suggesting it does not.
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one who had problems with that post.
 
I have a Military and had a Police. The police was the steel handled version though. I gave away the police to a friend and I have had the Military for about two months now as my EDC. I prefer the Military, the blade shape and thickness have a lot to do with that.

I am considering a Para Military, that hopefully has the same ergo's with just a bit smaller overall length for plainclothes pocket carry. (the Military is a bit large in chino's all day but because it is so light, it doesn't bother me)

Heck, I'll probably end up with a G-10 police too, because you can't have one without the other in my opinion. just my $.02
 
I've always had a soft spot for the old Police model. It was the first "high end" production folder I ever bought way back when, and I still have a couple in my collection. Despite that, I would probably pick the Military as the better choice for a heavy duty carry folder for most of the same reasons the other proponents of that knife in the thread.
 
I'm going to put off my purchase/decision until April. This March, I'll be buying a CS: Large Espada and 2 American Lawman knives (and a belt grinder).
 
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