Which Spydercos are Lined?

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Spectre

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Can we compile a list of all the Spydercos with liners? There are several Spydies I'd love to buy, but am not sure if they're lined, such as the G10 Dragonfly, and the Junior. It's not listed as being lined, but someone here recently said the Para 2 is lined? Can some Spyderco Grandmaster make a list for the rest of us?

Thanks,

John
 
Suffice it to say that over 90% of Syderco knives have liners of some sort. If you are interested in one specific model, it would be fairly easy to find out if it has liners or not.
 
All 3 have liners. The G10 Dragonfly has liners that are visible from all sides (similar to the design of of the same Endura, Delica, Native, etc.). The Para2 has full nested liners, they sit inside of lip of the G10 (the compression lock requires them as it is not an integral lock). The Junior has liners too, see the links provided, pictures belong to their respective owners BTW.

Dialex Junior:
http://spydercollector.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/spyderco-scoop-dialex-design-junior/
G10 Dragonfly:
http://spydercollector.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/spyderco_prototype_iwa09_dragonfly.jpg
Paramilitary2:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/dsc07518j.jpg/
 
You can get a pretty comprehensive list by going to spyderco.com and entering the search term "liner". It will show every current and retired Spydie and Byrd product that has the word "liner" in its description.

It does not show every lined Spydie. Like you say, the Para 2 has liners, but the word "liner" is not used in its description so it does not show up on the search. But there are plenty of knives on the list to keep someone busy for a while.
 
Thanks for the links. Perhaps I have a terminology challenge. My Delica and Manix 2 have skeletonized liners I see nestled in the handle scales. My Natives, Salsa, and G10 Polliwog do not. I am concerned about knives that are stronger and more rigid~ I would have purchased one of the Salt series, for instance, but heard that those were unlined.
 
Powernoodle, while that sounds like a good suggestion, it's not comprehensive on Spydercos part. Or I would just carefully read the description on all the Spydercos I'm interested in. Which I have.
 
Tis is true, the Salt series uses the older Gen3 Delica/Endura FRN molds. I've never worried much about breaking a knife as I tend to not put that much lateral stress on any knife. Nothing like having the right tool for the job.
 
I hear you. You could list all of the Spydies you are interested in, and the rest of us could chime in with yes or no.

Consider also that there are many of knives out there that are plenty stout (torsional rigidity, etc.) which are not lined.
 
Well, okay, Rev. I do believe knives are made to cut, not pry, baton, or any other thing. But I do want my tools to be strong, and any tool I carry every day, I partially choose for its defensive capability as well. If they're a similar size, I would choose to have a sturdier knife, considering that it may have to help me out of an emergency.

One of the reasons I rarely carry my Native anymore is the lack of a liner. My Manix 2 I know is super strong, and if I want lightweight, I'll take my Delica 4 ZDP.
 
Spectre said:
Well, okay. I do believe knives are made to cut, not pry, baton, or any other thing. But I do want my tools to be strong, and any tool I carry every day, I partially choose for its defensive capability as well. If they're a similar size, I would choose to have a sturdier knife, considering that it may have to help me out of an emergency.
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I agree totally, it's nice to know that your knife could handle it if need be, especially if it doesn't add too much weight.
 
A search for "liner" on Spyderco also pulls up liner-locks. None of which I consider to be strong enough. (For daily use, for most people, yeah, but not for emergency use.)
 
All the current G-10 and CF handled models, except the Urban and UKPK, have liners. Most of them have full liners, a few have nested partial liners. Metal handled midlocks do not have liners, nor do stainless or titanium framelocks. Metal handled liner locks, both Walker and compression, have at least a partial locking liner. In FRN models, the only ones that are totally unlined anymore would be the C14 Rescue, C28 Dragonfly, C41 Native Lightweight, C79 Assist, all the Salt Series Folders, the FRN UKPK, Squeak, and Ladybug. From what I understand, the FRCP Manix 2 will have partial nested liners. Don't know what's planned for the FRN Native V.

Spectre said:
A search for "liner" on Spyderco also pulls up liner-locks. None of which I consider to be strong enough. (For daily use, for most people, yeah, but not for emergency use.)
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So you're saying you'd trust a Delica over a Bradley?
 
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Speaking of which- though they're not exactly the same thing, but related- was there ever a thread made listing the various strength levels of each Spyderco offering? I know Sal has spoken to this previously, but it's the type of thing that could help a certain type user (of which I'm one) make a quick determination of whether he wants to buy a knife. If I thought, for instance, that the G10 Dragonfly was 3/4 as strong as a Manix 2, I would have bought one two years ago. I bought my G10 Polliwog not realizing it wasn't lined, and thinking it would be very strong because of the BBL. I love my Natives, and carried one daily for over 10 years- and even used one during fire missions in Afghanistan to cut into mortar "tootsie roll" ammo carriers, but I've stopped carrying a Native until I get in my Native 5...
 
Know Sal has given the lock strength ratings for a number of models over the years. Know that, at one time, at least some of the entries in Spyderco's printed catalogs had lock strength ratings in their descriptions. Don't think there's ever been a chart with ratings for all models current at the time. Inclined to think that means we're unlikely to see one. But I'd bet that, if Spyderco did publish the ratings, the Bradley would rate higher than the Delica.
 
I'd bet that, if Spyderco did publish the ratings, the Bradley would rate higher than the Delica.
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That could be. I just don't trust liner-locks. Only thing that's stopped me from buying the Bradley.

It would be fairly easy to give a strength rating indication in the catalog description: light duty, medium duty, heavy duty, super heavy duty, or whatever they chose to call them. How much stronger is a Delica than a Native? How does my aluminum Salsa compare? I know my Manix 2 is stronger than I will hopefully ever need it to be- how does my G10 Polliwog compare?
 
Spectre said:
...I love my Natives, and carried one daily for over 10 years- and even used one during fire missions in Afghanistan to cut into mortar "tootsie roll" ammo carriers, but I've stopped carrying a Native until I get in my Native 5...
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You're going to like the Native 5. The liners and scales are significantly thicker than the Native 4. The lockup is nice & tight, and it has a solid substantial feel to it. S35VN is supposed to be tougher than S30V, as well. I'd say it's the most rugged 3" blade Spyder currently in production.
 
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Spectre said:
That could be. I just don't trust liner-locks. Only thing that's stopped me from buying the Bradley.

It would be fairly easy to give a strength rating indication in the catalog description: light duty, medium duty, heavy duty, super heavy duty, or whatever they chose to call them. How much stronger is a Delica than a Native? How does my aluminum Salsa compare? I know my Manix 2 is stronger than I will hopefully ever need it to be- how does my G10 Polliwog compare?
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Makes me wonder if their lawyers told them it might be a bad idea. Or perhaps, it's just one more of those things that would get spun into something negative by self appointed experts. Or, it's just one more of those "fairly easy" tasks, like providing data on Rockwell numbers, overall thickness, etc, that would take someone away from building, packing, and shipping knives.

For all I know the Native could be stronger than the Delica. Ball lock knives tend to be quite strong and do not rely on liners for strength, so I suspect your Poliwog may rate higher than both of them. Or, for all I know, they may all be rated medium duty. I know you feel differently, but to me the actual ratings don't matter as much as the fact that Spyderco makes sure new designs meet certain standards based on their assumptions of how the model will be used.
 
to me the actual ratings don't matter as much as the fact that Spyderco makes sure new designs meet certain standards based on their assumptions of how the model will be used
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That's just the thing. I plan on using Spyderco to meet my folding knife needs. It would just be convenient for me when buying new Spydercos to be able to choose a heavier-duty Spyderco over one more intended for lightweight daily tasks. Sal told me how strong the upcoming Translucent Manix 2 is, for instance. I'm not looking for an exact figure, it would just be helpful to know where on the scale any particular knife is. I would love an H1 Dragonfly, but I believe it is one of the weaker knives Spyderco makes. I like several of the Taiwanese knives, but don't now how strong they are, etc, etc.

J
 
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