which would you choose

LHD said:
#1 They hide thier steel. There are no other companies that use "Carbon V"
They may hide the steel but the simple fact is that Carbon V is not a bad steel, as long as it is properly heat threated. It is actually the same stuff that's used on Becker knives from Camillus and the steel comes from the same source. Even Camillus themselves are not open about it. CS have used Carbon V for ages, everyone should know what it is by now.
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greens said:
LHD said:
#1 They hide thier steel. There are no other companies that use "Carbon V"
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They may hide the steel but the simple fact is that Carbon V is not a bad steel, as long as it is properly heat threated. It is actually the same stuff that's used on Becker knives from Camillus and the steel comes from the same source. Even Camillus themselves are not open about it. CS have used Carbon V for ages, everyone should know what it is by now.
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Thats just it. Carbon V is whatever CS wants to buy cheaply. Its changed multiple times over the years. The current stuff is decent and some educated on the subject say that its something like 51600.
 
They may hide the steel but the simple fact is that Carbon V is not a bad steel, as long as it is properly heat threated. It is actually the same stuff that's used on Becker knives from Camillus and the steel comes from the same source. Even Camillus themselves are not open about it. CS have used Carbon V for ages, everyone should know what it is by now.
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I don't give a rip what it is... it is still a gimmick. Still not the point IMO. The reckless advertising they do hurts the industry. Everyone here could be affected by that.

I still base my options to purchase off of PRINCIPLE. My Grandad did that.... I will stick with it.
 
Yep, principles are a good thing. With all the hooplah over banning knives happening in the UK and all the fear that's happening in this country right now, something like CS's hardcore videos is just the excuse, those that want knives limited or even banned, have been waiting for.
 
tarmix101 said:
I don't give a rip what it is... it is still a gimmick. Still not the point IMO. The reckless advertising they do hurts the industry. Everyone here could be affected by that.
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If you base your purchases on a sole fact how a knife company runs their business than that's your choice but I don't think you should try to influence anyone's decision to choose Y brand over the X brand based on advertising.
You should fly over to Afghanistan and tell thousands of our troops their SRK's are gimmicky and maybe you can donate a better replacement out of your own pocket like Cold steel did.
 
To keep this thread on topic...

I've had a few different 'Tracker' type knives, and still own my old-ass Trailmaster from way back when. Based upon my actual USE of these knives over the years, I would definitely take the Trailmaster over a 'Tracker' type knife. No question.

The Trailmaster is going to be much easier to sharpen in the field, since you've only got one edge and edge shape to deal with, and it will outchop any 'Tracker' I've ever owned. I also retired my Trailmaster quite a while ago, but not until after I got a sweet re-handle job done on it:

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These days, I'll also have to confess that there are many equal, and even better performing knives available today that would definitely make me think twice about buying either the Trailmaster, or a 'Tracker' variant. Hell, even my Becker BK-9 is a wicked-mad chopper that can be had for MUCH less than either of the aforementioned knives. Don't be afraid to shop around. ;)
 
greens said:
If you base your purchases on a sole fact how a knife company runs their business than that's your choice but I don't think you should try to influence anyone's decision to choose Y brand over the X brand based on advertising.
You should fly over to Afghanistan and tell thousands of our troops their SRK's are gimmicky and maybe you can donate a better replacement out of your own pocket like Cold steel did.
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Whats so hard about identifying your components by their commonly used names? People buy coldsteels thinking they are getting a premium or tool steel and they usually get 400 grade or slightly better steel. Plus, the fact that they have as many miss the heat treat as they do does not encourage confidence.

If you get the CS trailmaster you better test the hell out of it.
 
greens said:
If you base your purchases on a sole fact how a knife company runs their business than that's your choice but I don't think you should try to influence anyone's decision to choose Y brand over the X brand based on advertising.
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I dont think anyone said anything about basing their purchases on just that one thing but regardless, if a person asks for an opinion on which knife to buy, I consider that a factor that should be taken into account......Yes, when you give your opinion, I'm pretty sure one of your goals is to influence them, thats the whole point.

As for our troops in harms way, I think they should be issued the best tools and weapons money can buy but thats another thread, another forum.
 
shotgunner11 said:
I dont think anyone said anything about basing their purchases on just that one thing but regardless, if a person asks for an opinion on which knife to buy, I consider that a factor that should be taken into account......Yes, when you give your opinion, I'm pretty sure one of your goals is to influence them, thats the whole point.
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If I buy a knife, I careless about a company's advertising campaign. I do however care where it's made it's quality vs another brand. Just because CS used carbon V did not stop me from buying their Trailmaster when I got into knives nor did Swamp rat's Sr101 stop me from buying their fine blades. I'm not saying how a company runs their business should be overlooked, especially in CS's case but I think a lot of guys here are quick to judge and even quicker to bad mouth a maker in a downright hateful way and most of the time they have not even used their product.
 
Greens, I too have CS products and have been OK with their quality and performance. But I would be slow to denounce those who have a problem with CS advertising as either "keyboard commandos" or "trolls." I suggest that folks are entitled to express thier opinions without the need for name-calling. We can disagree agreeably, no?
 
Thomas Linton said:
I would be slow to denounce those who have a problem with CS advertising as either "keyboard commandos" or "trolls."
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I have not called anyone anything:confused: but knocking a company based on advertising is work of a troll and yes, a troll is still entitled to his opinion as well I suppose. We agree on that.
 
Greens, when you push the "submit" button, everyone who has subscribed to a thread sees what is there, notwithstanding any later editing. I had not noted that editing when I made my post.

I respectfully do not agreee that "knocking a company" based on its percieved lack of ethics in advertising is trolling, whether I agree with that "knock" or not. The "T" word ought to be reserved for posts designed only to produce controvery, not to sincere, and arguable criticism. Calling someone a "troll" simply because you do not agree renders the word meaningless.
 
greens said:
I have not called anyone anything:confused: but knocking a company based on advertising is work of a troll and yes, a troll is still entitled to his opinion as well I suppose. We agree on that.
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This post reveals a lot. :rolleyes: :yawn:

The original poster asked a direct question. My DIRECT answer... neither. But if I had to choose I actually said COLD STEEL. I referenced that many here like CS and find them to be very good knives. When the question of their advertising came up. I gave another direct answer. I don't like it! That does not make me a troll. I never attacked you in any way, just questioned your opinion as you have mine.
 
I gave my opinion, I have used CS products, I have had problems with them.

Anyone who doesn't care to hear my opinion can feel free to put me on their ignore list. If giving said opinion constitutes trolling, I stand corrected.
 
Thomas Linton said:
The "T" word ought to be reserved for posts designed only to produce controvery, not to sincere, and arguable criticism.
It is not wether I agree or disagree with some of the comments but few of them and actually one whole post read more like plain controversial bashing of a company rather than an honest criticism. If you want to knock a product please do so and present facts regarding it's performace in an actual use and if the knives disappoint then tell the world why CS should be wiped off from the face of the earth. Action speaks louder than words.
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Bashing; example: Knife brand X is total crap, they, like, totally suck. anyone who buys them is a dips#%t and can't teel good knives from a hole in the ground.

I see none of that here. The post I think you refer too speaks to a informed opinion of the steels used and the quality that has been experienced.

If your speaking of one of my posts, let me put your mind at ease. I have, many times, used CS products, some good, one great, quite a few very poor and as I have said before, I would be weary of those odds in an emergency.

Yes, I think the advertizing is a major issue, if you disagree, thats up to you.
 
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