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Sorry guys, I know it is bad form to start a thread and then disappear but I got called away to an emergency at the farm. All is fine!
I would like to say I do very much appreciate all the participation in this thread and thank all who commented on the knife itself. It is indeed a stunner and I appreciate the kind comments.
As for the clue, there were actually three I had in mind but do not think they are definitive. One is the main blade is at the 'wrong' end if you will and another is the catch bit. Most split springs, both types, on older knives, have the center liner wrap around and then form the wedge. Very rare to see a separate catch bit. I have seen it on customs though. This knife has no center liner BTW. The last thing that you may not pick up in the pictures is that this is not a typical sleeveboard. There is curvature you can see on the spine. In hand it is actually a very, very, very, slight dog leg.
Thank you for the link. You are correct in that it is a very good discussion.
If this knife was ever cleaned it was done so very expertly. What the pictures don't show is that the tang stamps are still quite sharp, usually a dead give away about cleaning. I believe this was probably a factory custom knife for a presentation and may have never been carried or used. The mark side has a name engraved into the pearl.
Kris as usual you have outstanding pieces. That Chamblin is a winner! I can now say I have seen two knives of this construction. Thanks much for sharing it.
Don't think it can be trumped Sarah. I am pretty convinced it is a Whittler. I just have never seen this construction before and has hoping for someone to shoot the Whittler idea down.
Charlie this a much more robust knife than the pictures may indicate. It is almost 3 1/2". The springs are .083" and the tang on the main is just short of double that.
Ken, I could have just rolled with your thoughts on the knife but you know me...
I would like to say I do very much appreciate all the participation in this thread and thank all who commented on the knife itself. It is indeed a stunner and I appreciate the kind comments.
As for the clue, there were actually three I had in mind but do not think they are definitive. One is the main blade is at the 'wrong' end if you will and another is the catch bit. Most split springs, both types, on older knives, have the center liner wrap around and then form the wedge. Very rare to see a separate catch bit. I have seen it on customs though. This knife has no center liner BTW. The last thing that you may not pick up in the pictures is that this is not a typical sleeveboard. There is curvature you can see on the spine. In hand it is actually a very, very, very, slight dog leg.
Brad, here is a great discussion for you.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com...40366&hilit=definition+of+a+whittler&start=45
Thank you for the link. You are correct in that it is a very good discussion.
That is a gorgeous whitter for sure.
And I have never, ever, seen a knife that is 125 to 150 years old that looks that clean and nice. No discoloration on the pearl scales at all, no tarnish or discoloration on the blades, not even a speck of dirt! Excellent!
How was it maintained in such pristine condition? Do you know?
Robert
If this knife was ever cleaned it was done so very expertly. What the pictures don't show is that the tang stamps are still quite sharp, usually a dead give away about cleaning. I believe this was probably a factory custom knife for a presentation and may have never been carried or used. The mark side has a name engraved into the pearl.
Brad, my Joel Chamblin sleeveboard whittler has the same spring construction, but the main opens at the wide end of the sleeve.
Kris
Kris as usual you have outstanding pieces. That Chamblin is a winner! I can now say I have seen two knives of this construction. Thanks much for sharing it.
Within what I consider the "poker hand ranking" of pattern distinctives, whereby some features trump others when it comes to final (or popularly-agreed-upon) pattern designations, "whittler" rises to the top simply because of the blade placement and selection.
I like the subtlety of the spacer being underneath the springs at the two-bladed end and not evident as a wedge atop. I don't care as much for the triple pen blade "selection," but someone evidently wanted such...? Regardless, I doubt either rises to the level of a deciding factor.
I am curious to hear what you or others are seeing that would lead to a definition that would trump 'whittler' for this particular piece.
(Good stuff, Brad. Thank you.)
~ P.
Don't think it can be trumped Sarah. I am pretty convinced it is a Whittler. I just have never seen this construction before and has hoping for someone to shoot the Whittler idea down.
How long is the knife Brad?
Charlie this a much more robust knife than the pictures may indicate. It is almost 3 1/2". The springs are .083" and the tang on the main is just short of double that.
I was very fortunate to have seen this knife in person at the Badger show. A great example of the cutlers art.
Ken, I could have just rolled with your thoughts on the knife but you know me...
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