Whittler or Not...

Sorry guys, I know it is bad form to start a thread and then disappear but I got called away to an emergency at the farm. All is fine!

I would like to say I do very much appreciate all the participation in this thread and thank all who commented on the knife itself. It is indeed a stunner and I appreciate the kind comments.

As for the clue, there were actually three I had in mind but do not think they are definitive. One is the main blade is at the 'wrong' end if you will and another is the catch bit. Most split springs, both types, on older knives, have the center liner wrap around and then form the wedge. Very rare to see a separate catch bit. I have seen it on customs though. This knife has no center liner BTW. The last thing that you may not pick up in the pictures is that this is not a typical sleeveboard. There is curvature you can see on the spine. In hand it is actually a very, very, very, slight dog leg.


Thank you for the link. You are correct in that it is a very good discussion.


That is a gorgeous whitter for sure.

And I have never, ever, seen a knife that is 125 to 150 years old that looks that clean and nice. No discoloration on the pearl scales at all, no tarnish or discoloration on the blades, not even a speck of dirt! Excellent!

How was it maintained in such pristine condition? Do you know?

Robert

If this knife was ever cleaned it was done so very expertly. What the pictures don't show is that the tang stamps are still quite sharp, usually a dead give away about cleaning. I believe this was probably a factory custom knife for a presentation and may have never been carried or used. The mark side has a name engraved into the pearl.


Brad, my Joel Chamblin sleeveboard whittler has the same spring construction, but the main opens at the wide end of the sleeve.
Kris

Kris as usual you have outstanding pieces. That Chamblin is a winner! I can now say I have seen two knives of this construction. Thanks much for sharing it.


Within what I consider the "poker hand ranking" of pattern distinctives, whereby some features trump others when it comes to final (or popularly-agreed-upon) pattern designations, "whittler" rises to the top simply because of the blade placement and selection.

I like the subtlety of the spacer being underneath the springs at the two-bladed end and not evident as a wedge atop. I don't care as much for the triple pen blade "selection," but someone evidently wanted such...? Regardless, I doubt either rises to the level of a deciding factor.

I am curious to hear what you or others are seeing that would lead to a definition that would trump 'whittler' for this particular piece.

(Good stuff, Brad. Thank you.)

~ P.

Don't think it can be trumped Sarah. I am pretty convinced it is a Whittler. I just have never seen this construction before and has hoping for someone to shoot the Whittler idea down.

How long is the knife Brad?

Charlie this a much more robust knife than the pictures may indicate. It is almost 3 1/2". The springs are .083" and the tang on the main is just short of double that.

I was very fortunate to have seen this knife in person at the Badger show. A great example of the cutlers art.

Ken, I could have just rolled with your thoughts on the knife but you know me...:D
 
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I have a similar Joseph Rodgers Whittler, smaller at 3", ivory rather than MOP, and post QE2 coronation. I was given the knife by an old friend. Levine reckons it's a Whittler, so I'll go with that :)

I suppose you'll want pics, so I'll try and take some ;)
 
Jack you know the old saying, without pics it never happened :D

Here we go! :) Sorry for the appalling quality, five minutes to take them, an hour to upload them (or that's how it felt anyway)! I'll try to take some better pics soon. Knife belonged to an old friend's grandfather.





















 
Brad and Jack, those are both spectacular and I would certainly say they are whittlers.
 
Here we go! :) Sorry for the appalling quality, five minutes to take them, an hour to upload them (or that's how it felt anyway)! I'll try to take some better pics soon. Knife belonged to an old friend's grandfather

Thanks for posting this one Jack. IF you get around to more pics how about a shot of those springs and since we are asking I will push it a bit and ask for a look down into the trough with the blades open. :p. Kind of needy aren't I.
 
Brad and Jack, those are both spectacular and I would certainly say they are whittlers.

:)

Thanks for posting this one Jack. IF you get around to more pics how about a shot of those springs and since we are asking I will push it a bit and ask for a look down into the trough with the blades open. :p. Kind of needy aren't I.

Cheers Brad, I sort of thought of that after I'd taken the pics! :D

I also think this may be some sort of special commemorative knife. My friend's grandfather died in 2002. I met him a few times over the preceding 25 years, and I really don't think this was the kind of knife he would have bought, nor does it appear to have ever been used. In stark contrast to this knife, I also have an old fruit knife which belonged to my friend's grandad, and it's a simple knife, which has seen a great deal of use and sharpening.
 
Here we go! :) Sorry for the appalling quality, five minutes to take them, an hour to upload them (or that's how it felt anyway)! I'll try to take some better pics soon. Knife belonged to an old friend's grandfather.


Spectacular!
What a jewel.
 
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