Whittling Hair vs. Cutting Hair

good grife its somewhat fun to watch you guys bait each other but if what i have learned in my 60 years on the planet is true and ill bet it is. both of your knifes are sharper that 99% of the people who carry are.a knife of some sort has been on my pocket for some 53 years.the hanging hair test is somewhat usefull in testing the edge on a straight razor, i say somewhat in that the only true test is the shave. on a pocket knife yes some times just for the hell of it ill work it over on my jnat razor hones untill it will cleave hair but that gos away the moment i use it for anything tougher than paper. getting back the the hanging hair test with my hair it goes like this , hair hangs up on the blade and then splits upward(whittling), getting there. hair cuts and springs away from the blade, closer still. hair cuts and falls straight down, shave ready.
 
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Gentlemen,

I started this thread to ask a simple question: Which indicates the sharper edge---ability to whittle a hair or ability to cut a hair in two?

Some answers have been helpful and for those I thank the contributors. I ask that all the negative posts stop now---they have no place here.

I hope this thread can continue in a positive fashion, hopefully with more answers to my question, and also with any general insights regarding the HHT, hair whittling, and related sharpening esoterica. If not, I'll ask a mod to close it, and maybe I'll try again some other time.

Thanks,

Andrew
 
ok andrew, with my straight razors and my hair the edge that cleanly cuts the hair and dosnt spring away from the blade but falls down onthe other side is the edge that gives me the most drag free and comfortable shave, ie. sharper. as for knifes, imho any edge that will do either is overkill, unless you want to shave with it
 
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There is so little that can be determined by playing with hair, mostly beacuse the attack angle determines how well it will cut. Essentially, there is technique to this as well as the knife being sharp, so it's really far from an objective test in the least. You can spend all day doing HHTs, to whittling hairs, to trying to whittle strands off the strands you just whittled, it doesn't mean anything about your edge except that it's sharp enough to handle ANYTHING else you throw at it. In the meantime, it can be so tricky to actually get the hair in the right position to cut that it can often times be more a matter of technique than anything else. It's a parlor trick. And I'm not even mentioning the differences in hardness, thickness, moisture content, curly or straight, so on and so forth.

Personally I find buckman110's test more useful. If I pick up a knife and it can't whtitle hair... Is it beacuse my hair is too dry, too curly, not straight enough, so on and so forth, or is it because the knife is dull? If I pick up a knife that can't slice into my fingerprint like that, the edge is dull. It's just that simple. Beyond that I can usually gauge how quickly my edges dull by how easily they slice into my thumbpad compared to when I first started using the edge. It's much more useful since it's way more consistent. I think it's pretty similar to Murray Carter's three-finger test.

Honestly I've not been sharpening knives "seriously" for some ten or twenty years to be able to espouse my expert knowledge. But honestly, I can't see it taking twenty years to realize how much usefulness this test really lacks. It might be nice to see if you've reached some higher level of sharpness in an acamedic setting--you know just to see if you can. Otherwise there's no practical benefit because there's no way to percieve these different levesl of sharpness without relying on completely abstract testing methods like this. If it whittles hair, or if it shaves hair, it's going to cut a box just as well.

Do you know why straight-razor enthusiasts spend soo much time worrying about the hair-hanging test? Because they're using it to shave hair.

Oh, and uhh, the obligatory proof

You can even see it hanging onto the edge by one of the strands whittled...


But even that picture is meaningless to me. You know why? Because when I first heard of hair whittling, I use to stretch a hair out between two fingers so it was taught and do it. I thought "Hey that's hair whittling." It takes a lot more refining to hold a hair out unsupported to do it. But you know how much discernable difference in sharpness there is between those two levels in actual use? None, none at all.

Determining an edge sharpness based on whether it bisects the hair or simply carves strands off it is just splitting hairs. Pun intended.
 
Andrew, as Kenny said, angle of attack vs the inclusive edge apex angle contributes to whether it'll split or outright cut the strands, IMO.

That's what I guess based on limited experience.
 
Thanks, gents, for your comments. Yes, when it comes to cutting or whittling hair, there are so many variables that it is a poor choice for any sort of objective test. But for me, at this moment, it’s this: as I began this sharpening journey, for a long time I couldn’t do it, and now I can (sometimes, with some knives). So, it’s a small personal milestone, and it’s fun to play around with. No more, no less….

Andrew

P.S.: Apologies for the crummy photo. My wife is out of town for her dad's 85th birthday (which explains why a grown man is spending time on a Saturday afternoon doing something silly like whittling hair!) and she took my camera to record the festivities. So, my only option was to make an attempt on my scanner.


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Thanks, Chris. And you are right on the money---my wife's hair brush supplies all testing material. :D

Andrew
 
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