Who Cares!?!?!?!?

ElCuchillo

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Oy, I've been reading all these threads, and most of them talk about how good this steel is,or how good that steel is. How Carbon is god, and 420c is a disgrace. WHO CARES!!??!?!?! A knife is meant to cut, period, and if the knife does that, then it's good. Some knives hold an edge longer, some hold a sharper edge, whatever. They cut. Tru sharp? CV steel? Carbon? Stainless? Who cares. It's a knife. It's meant to cut. Bottom line is this, I carry a SAK. A Sportsman. Stainless steel? Soft steel? I know.... no, better yet, I GUARANTEE that my knife cuts just as good as any pocketknife knife you guys can throw at me. ANY pocketknife. Queen? Case? Buck? Hen&Rooster? All good. SAKs? All good. Day in and day out, my knife can perform equally as well as ANY knife on this site. Why? Because it cuts. Ease up on the comparison, guys. Ease up on the "I have a tru sharp, and it's good, but I really really really really want a carbon this or that." Why not just sit back and enjoy the knife you currently have? Go cut something. Have some fun.
 
Not a bold reply, just a fact. As for everyone not enjoying their knives, it just seems like everyone is so preoccupied with every other type of steel that we are forgetting what a knife is for. It's not complicated AT ALL. We just make it so. If it cuts well, there ya go, the knife is fulfilling the only purpose it was put on this planet. I apologize for venting on here, it's just frustrates me sometimes, ya know? When I hear people post about how this brand is junk, or this is ONLY for collecting, all show/no go...... whatever.
 
I agree with your general message. My sharpest knife is my SAK with dropped angles. I've never had a knife steel from a name-brand company dissapoint me in any way. I don't understand people who refuse to use 420hc or AUS8, etc. To each their own I suppose. Blade steel is at the bottom of my list of concerns when I'm buying a knife.
 
Debating and arguing about such arcane matters as blade steel etc. is precisely the point of these forums. The forums give people who are interested in such things to discuss them with other like-minded people. You wouldn't go into a fantasy football league and tell everyone there that you thought it was stupid to talk about statistics, would you? If you think it's stupid to discuss such matters, do yourself a favor and stay out of the conversation. Nobody here is hurting anyone. (Did I just feed the troll?)
 
Oy, I've been reading all these threads, and most of them talk about how good this steel is,or how good that steel is. How Carbon is god, and 420c is a disgrace
....actually it appears as if you HAVEN'T read most of the posts here...or at least not very carefully. However, I am pleased to know you have found what works best for you...and look forward to the time when you are willing, without judgement, to allow others the same latitude to make their own personal choice .
-Best regards
 
When I have a nice piece of 1095, or CV for a blade, properly tempered, life is good, and I'm on top of the world!!
And when I sip a glass of well crafted Amarone, I feel just a little closer to what God has given us!! Both experiences are nearly orgasmic;) !
Life can be enjoyable at a glance, but God is in the details!!
 
Oy, I've been reading all these threads, and most of them talk about how good this steel is,or how good that steel is. How Carbon is god, and 420c is a disgrace. WHO CARES!!??!?!?! A knife is meant to cut, period, and if the knife does that, then it's good. Some knives hold an edge longer, some hold a sharper edge, whatever. They cut. Tru sharp? CV steel? Carbon? Stainless? Who cares. It's a knife. It's meant to cut. Bottom line is this, I carry a SAK. A Sportsman. Stainless steel? Soft steel? I know.... no, better yet, I GUARANTEE that my knife cuts just as good as any pocketknife knife you guys can throw at me. ANY pocketknife. Queen? Case? Buck? Hen&Rooster? All good. SAKs? All good. Day in and day out, my knife can perform equally as well as ANY knife on this site. Why? Because it cuts. Ease up on the comparison, guys. Ease up on the "I have a tru sharp, and it's good, but I really really really really want a carbon this or that." Why not just sit back and enjoy the knife you currently have? Go cut something. Have some fun.

That's like saying who cares what kind of car it is? They all drive. Who cares what kind of gun it is? They all shoot. There are qualitiative differences between different knives and different steels, and that interests most of us, and this is where we come to talk about it. If it doesn't interest you, no one's forcing you to participate.
 
I care. It's a hobby and I'll spend my money how I want to. I'll buy knives from companies that cater to my preferences. Why should I accept something I don't want?
 
Only 12 posts and trolling already. If you want to learn something about knives, just stick around. If you just want to troll then who cares?

I will answer your question, though. Perhaps it will calm you down a little. If a blade is made from hard steel it can be ground to a more acute bevel angle than one made with soft steel without failing. That means it can be made sharper to cut better without failing. If you grind a soft blade (such as a SAK) to that kind of angle, the edge will roll over and fail. So I wouldn't put any money behind your guarantee or someone will take it from you.

I'm one of those people who could care less about edge retention. If the blade needs sharpening more often, then it is faster and easier to sharpen. If it needs it less it is slower and harder. I think it is a wash. But the ability to hold a sharper edge without folding is something the harder blade has that is clearly superior to the soft blade. Yes, all knives cut. Some cut better than others. More people would agree with me there than would agree with you, I'm afraid. Weldome to the forum.
 
Wonder iif it's CV steel or Stainless. Would LOVE to get a good Patina out of it!!

I thought it didn't matter??? ;) :foot:

Seriously, it does matter to alot of people. Otherwise, we would all just go out and buy some Franklin Mint fantasy dagger and use that. You telling me that steel is just as good?

Plus, some people prefer a stainless to a carbon because of where they are or what they are doing. A user living in a humid climate might prefer a stainless blade to help against corrosion.

Do you buy the cheapest beer on the shelf you can find, or do you choose something you like?

To each his own, I suppose...have a knife day!

Glenn
 
Oy, I've been reading all these threads, and most of them talk about how good this steel is,or how good that steel is. How Carbon is god, and 420c is a disgrace. WHO CARES!!??!?!?!

That's the point of these forums, isn't it!!!??
The people joining the forums DO care!!
And they like to discuss the matter. Why not let them??!!!

Why not just sit back and enjoy the knife you currently have? Go cut something. Have some fun.

Oh, I do.

/ Karl
 
If you go to a beer forum, you'll read lots of stuff about why one brand of beer is good and another is not so good. What's the point, you might ask, since the reason to drink beer is to get a buzz, right.

So, do you buy the cheapest beer you can find, or do you select a brand that you like the taste of? If you buy the cheapest beer, then the discussion on a beer forum won't interest you. You'll find it boring.

Same here. You have a knife. It cuts things. That satisfies your need for a knife. Why bother with a forum that discusses the finer points of knives? You're happy with your knife, and can't see why anyone would want a knife for any reason other than "it cuts."

Sounds like this forum is boring to you. There is a solution for that boredom.
 
It comes down to performance. Good steel and good heatreat are important. A good steel is not going to perform unless the heat treat is right. Getting to the "who cares". Well heck I sure care, there is nothing more frustrating than a knife that keeps going dull when I am up to my elbows slaughtering and cutting up pigs during a cull for instance. A lousy knife will constantly interupt my work and slow things down. Dull knives are dangerous too. I want my knives to cut and keep cutting, not only is it better for the user, but the life of the knife is much longer. Sharpening them takes a bit of knife away each time.
 
Steel quality and hardness do make a substantial difference. I have knives made of 420HC, 440A, ATS34, D2, S30V, 1095, 1075, and 0-176C. The harder blades with the better steels actually DO cut better and hold the edge much longer. They are better. That still doesn't stop me from using and enjoying the knives such as Case SS or Victorinox SAK's. An Alox Harvester is my everyday carry work knife. I hold no illusions however that it's performance is superior to anything else around, because it does dull rapidly. Cut open several large cardboard boxes or a few feet of carpet, and that edge is gone, whether it was set at 25, 22, or 17 degrees. I go in knowing that it will be dull at the end of the day, and that it will require a quick resharpening. Doesn't matter much, the utility of the knife is greater than the edgeholding ability would seem to indicate. On the other hand, I would rather carry one of the D2 blades hunting, because I'm in a variety of situations, am not going to be carrying sharpening equipment into the field and woods, and keeping an ultrasharp edge is more important then to me. When I'm around town, I might be carrying a Case SS stockman, or a Solingen made copperhead, or if out in the woods, an S30V Buck or D2 Queen. BUT maybe not, because in certain situations, the Case SS might be suitable enough. Just pick what seems to fit the situation, and enjoy using the knives. People get into silly little arguments over "what is better" and end up extremely angered if their personal choice of knife or blade steels is criticized. That is childish and vain, and these people need to wake up and see the things in life that are more important to be noticing.
 
As far as an every day using knife for general purposes, any good steel is fine for me. I get great performance in these general, and to be honest, generally light chores out of any good steel. I like knives that take a good edge, retain it reasonably and sharpen up quickly. SAKs do a pretty good job and I have used some quite hard with some distance between sharpenings.

If I were doing farm & ranch work, or some serious outback hunting, then D2 with a good profile is going to be high on my list. Like cutting carpet, ripping through hides on animals can eat a knife blade. Like the carpet, plenty of dust and grit gets down in the fibers and abrades the edge.

However, I have many more knives than I need and plan on adding more because I like them, I enjoy collecting different patterns, handle materials, even steels now and then. I learn a lot from these discussions about how to get the most out of the different steels. Without these discussion, I would try to sharpen D2 like I would 1095 or CV knife. For that I work from a medium to a fine stone and try for a polished edge. I've learned that a fine cutting D2 edge can look toothy, with what seems to be tiny chipping here and there on the edge and still do fine, fast, and impressive cutting. I can actually detract from its cutting ability by focusing soley on a polished edge. These are the kinds of things I learn and enjoy learning from these discussions.

Also, I enjoy testing some different steels, comparing them side by side. Along with that I also enjoy disagreeing, or putting my .02 cents worth when my experience with a particular steel has been different. I've also learned things that have made me have to reevaluate my attitude towards things like 420HC, and be more accepting of it. I've also learned some of the different characteristics of steels.

This is in fact a lot of the fun and enjoyment of these forums. Not only the history of the knives, but sharing attitudes and experiences. If all I wanted was a decent pocket knife I would simply get a Boker Magnum or a Steel Warrior (and as discussed on here, different people have had different experiences with the SWs, some good, some bad.) and go about my business. Then again, I would have no reason to be here, nor would there be anything to discuss if everyone did the same thing.

These discussions and postings are a big part of my enjoying knives and knife gathering. As it happens, my tri-stones are about 7" from my mouse pad. On the opposite side of my stones is an old catalog I use as a pad where I test cut pieces of leather and 1/2 inch manilla rope as I test different steels and edges as I learn what does and doesn't make a good setup for me or for specific purposes. Then there are the pieces of paper I use for push cutting and slicing too. My arm is a bit short haired too from shave testing edges. So, I do cut things for fun. I learn from discussions here how to get more fun out of that cutting and what makes a better all around user knife for me that will do the most things well.

From a learning point and as a bit of information interchange, I care. But as one of the fellows here mentioned, if you really read the postings completely, you will see that while a lot of fellows have their favorite steels, they are pretty happy with anything that cuts well, holds a resonable edge, and sharpens back up. Just as some guys lightly sharpen or at least strop their blades once a day or so, others go for the one good sharpening that lasts for a while approach. Diversity in action which makes for interesting reading.

Okay, nuff Wolf yap. Btw, we can also understand frustration and venting. Just let us know that's what it is.
 
C'mon guys. Let's not hassle El Cuchillo for an honest opinion.
Of course, I don't know why he stopped at Case, SAKs, Hen & Rooster...
Why don't you get rid of those snobby knives and hit the knife sales at the shopping channel. All those knives for about $100..they are real steel........:D
 
I'm an old fart, and I've probably had at least 50 folding pocket knives in my life. Bot Scout knife, Swiss Army knife, Case, Ka-Bar,, Schrade, Buck, Uncle Henry, Uncle Clem, Cousin Joey, Cold Steel, Hot Steel, etc. Some were "okay I guess," most were absolute pieces of ****

Today, I have two. A Queen "Large Stockman" and a Benchmade 710. Both have blades of D2. And YES, there is a difference, a BIG, BIG, BIG difference! I'll never buy another "piece of krap" pocket knive.
 
We might as well shut this site down if all knives are equal. Say ElCuchillo, I'll trade you my $8 Opinel (which is a fine blade for what it's meant to do) for your $500 super steel custom. After all, all knives are equal!
P.S. I would understand if you said that people should be less concerned about steel than the overall appeal of a knife. I am going through engineering school, and work with metal day in and day out. I know that steel comes in an amazing amount of varieties, and each one excells in different and unique ways, I am facinated by steel and what we have made of it. Maybe we enjoy having a knife that stays sharp longer, or resist salt water, or is made of mithril and can destroy evil trolls ;) ! All I am saying is to each their own, if you don't like it, go the the knife sites that discourage talk about why you like your knives, and don't ever buy a knife with a specific purpose in mind!
 
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