Who has broken a knife?

Sean :

You're obviously the kind of guy who uses knives sanely, for their intended purpose of cutting.

That is a generalization that is simply false. There are lots of knives that are designed to indure heavy chopping, digging, pounding and even prying.

-Cliff
 
One of the two whittling blades on a lovely Parker whittler. Did it whittling, but I was trying to do a bit of prying to get out a little hunk of reluctant wood. The whittling blades on this knife are as thin as an X-axto blade.
Anyone want to repair it for me?


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Arizona Desert Rat




[This message has been edited by Desert Rat (edited 30 June 1999).]
 
Busted about 1/2" off a Buck 500 in 1985 by slipping it between tire chains in sub-zero temperatures to try busting the heavy duty wire tie holding the end down. Threw it in my toolbox and used it "improperly" for over ten years. Sent it in to Buck last year and they replaced the blade, polished the handles and bolster to like new and put it in a brand new sheath. No charge. Buck is a company that will always have my respect.

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-Tim-

 
When I was a kid I was throwing one of mom's butcher knives (while home alone) at a Knot on a syamore tree. I hit the knot and the blade broke at the handle. I buried the evidence and I don't beleive I've thrown a knife since.(40 years!!!).

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Broke the tip of my favortie Sak while working on a walking-stick. Broke the blade of a cheapo while pracitcing fast opening techniques as a kid.
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I am surprised you've been using cheap knives for 29 years and haven't broken one -- maybe you're using a different definition of "cheap" than I do? I've had tips break, scales break, scales fall off, and locks fail (when a lockback fails once it's usually broken in the sense that it won't lock securely thereafter). I don't consider myself a particularly hard knife user; only one of them broke from what I'd consider abuse (throwing one of those German army lockbacks with no scales; broke the tip off and broke the lock; I reground the tip and it would more or less lock after that ... it seemed to be locked ... but heavy pressure would close it). (I've also broken throwing knives, usually by bending and straightening it too many times.)

I probably shouldn't even count the two Pakistani lockbacks I bought when they first came on the market -- the spring broke on one and the blade on the other, both at flaws in the steel.

I think I've broken almost as many cheap knives as I've lost. Many of them were very cheap, though, bought when I was a kid and couldn't afford better out of my allowance.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
As I try to use knives for purposes they were intended for in over 30 years I have only broken a few. Generally cheap ones and usually taking them a bit beyond their intended limits.

Only knife broken in "combat" was an older Buck 4" folder. Missed the target and knocked the blade clean out of the knife on the chain link fence post behind him. Turned out not to be a big problem as he was going down at the time anyway.
 
Sean :

On the other hand, just because it's made to stand up to heavy uses doesn't change its primary function; if it has an edge, it's made to cut.

That is one of the things obviously but its not the only thing and often it is not the primary design goal. For example once you go over 1/8" you steadily lose cutting ability in both chopping and slicing. The only advantage to the thicker blades is in terms of durability and this is only an advantage if you are prying, hammering or doing other heavy work. So obviously if your blades are thick, cutting is not your primary concern.

This is a bit outside the point though which has come up in this thread. The "use it for what it was intended for" arguement. The simple fact is that throwing, digging, prying, chopping and hammering are intended uses for some knives. It is not abusive, insane or anything else to use them in this manner as it it what they were made to do. Different knives are made for different things. There are some knives that were made just for slicing and are optomized to do so, and there are some knives that were not.

As for intended use in general, it always has to be kept in mind the level of stress you are placing on the knife. Even though it might not be an intended use - knives should not fail under stresses they were designed to be able to indure even if the situtation by which they incounter them is a bit odd. For example, I recently spent some time digging, hacking and twisting the blade of my Calypso Jr. in soft pine. The knife was not designed for this, yet if the blade had failed I would not chalk it up to abuse. The knife should have handled what I was doing with it (it did), because it was designed to handle that level of stress, even though not that particular activity.

On a related note, digging often comes up in this mannerer. I don't think I have ever seen someone comment "this knife was designed to dig", as knives in general have very poor geometries for that kind of thing. Yet I don't consider digging to be outside of knife use simply because the level of stress it places on a blade is far below the level of stress it will encounter in what it was designed for.

When somone says "don't XXX with this knife", don't just think "would I ever need to XXX?". Instead think about the kind of strain XXX places on a blade and how this relates to the kinds of things that you will be doing. Most often when you are warned not to do something, its not because its particularly hard on a knife, its simply because its fairly easy to do and thus you can quickly spot flaws by doing it.


-Cliff

 
had a Gerber Applegate Covert blade break on me maybe 15 min after I got it. Was trying to pull the cover off my tape deck, blade broke in half. (well the top 1/3rd broke off) Was so disgusted at the lack of resistance the blade had, tossed it and forgot I bought it all together...
 
I've broken several knives, and always when using them for their intended purpose. I broke 1/16 of the tip off of a Gerber Guardian just pulling it out of it's sheath at a bad angle. I've broken the blades on several Victorinox SAKs, usually while trying to cut fuzz sticks for firestarting. The worst ones were some CS Tru-Flite throwers. Got three of them for Christmas, took them outside and threw them into my soft pine targets. All three of them stuck point-first, and all of them shattered, leaving just the points stuck in the target. Lynn Thopmson profusely apologized and sent me a bunch of 'hawk handles as compensation, but I haven't bought another throwing knife from them since.
Zog

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"A fear of weaponry is a sure sign of neuroses."
-Freud
 
I have never broken a knife, nor do I intend to. Yes, some knives are supposed to be thrown, dig, chop, and pry, but a lot of that is just marketing hype, buy a knife for it's intended purpose, and use your good judgement. If that poses a problem, come to the join the forums and ask upon the good(?) judgement of fellow members. However, I am a bit dissettled by the above posts.
Don't you guys know that all an SAK's blade is good for is cutting loose strings? Why didn't you send in that Gerber AF Covert for warranty replacement?


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Stompy :

Yes, some knives are supposed to be thrown, dig, chop, and pry, but a lot of that is just marketing hype

The hype is pretty much the opposite.

Don't you guys know that all an SAK's blade is good for is cutting loose strings?

Hardly, my SAK has been used for over 15 years now and even though the blade has lost significant width its still going.

-Cliff
 
I've got to agree with Cliff on the SAK, I've used the heck out of them and never broken one. I got my first when I was nine and I still have it (intact).

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-Tim-

 
A few months ago I accidentally dropped my Cold Steel Medium Voyager Tanto onto the floor, and the knife fell a bit less than three feet. The blade hit tip first and a decent sized piece of the tip broke off. It was a fairly hard floor (ceramic tile), so I'm not really sure how I feel about the knife breaking. In any case, I didn't really care that much since it was a cheap knife that I didn't like all that much anyway.

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