Who knows their stuff about Binoculars?

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I'm looking to invest in a pair of quality binoculars pending the signing of a new job contract :D

I want them for general viewing so weight is not a major issue. I would prefer European made and am willing to spend about $600 on them.

Any suggestions?

Cheers
 
Are you looking for compacts or full-size?
If full-size then you are really only in the price range of the Zeiss classics 10x40 mentioned or the Pentax DCF-WP 10x42 If you want to look into the Swarovskis or the Leica then you need to add close to $400 or drop down to a midsize like an 8x30 or 7x32.
For compacts, you can consider any of the big three but if you are gonna make that investment then you should really try them. While all offer phase-corrected glass, there seems to be some difference in how each person perceives each one.
 
Thanks for the input guys, I'm not too fussed but would probably go for full size.

I may go another $200 if I find a pair that I simply can't live without :D
 
Dude , if you have $600 bucks to spend you can get some 14X gyro-stabilized binoculars. They are impressive.
 
As with shoes, it's a good idea to try them in person.
I was recently looking at compact waterproof binoculars. I'd heard good things about Canon's 8x23, but when finally I tried them out they didn't have enough eye relief for me--I couldn't see the whole picture. I also got to try out some Steiner 8x30s, which I wouldn't have considered before, but I loved the feel as well as the view.
Preference for one pair of binoculars over another is very personal, and you won't know until you try a few pairs.
 
Jason Burns has name-checked the makers you need to be looking at.

10X is the absolute maximum power you should be looking at. 8X is better in my opinion.

If "general viewing" includes dawn/dusk/evenings, I suggest 8x32 or 8x42. If you are a real nighthawk, 7x50 takes a lot of beating as an all-rounder.

A UK birdwatching magazine recommends the Leica 8x42 Ultravid as the bins to beat, but I think they're out of your price band. (Or are they... ;))

Take your time. Try them all. Buy quality and only cry once.

maximus otter
 
In general,at a given price point,you will get higher qualiy with porro prisms than with roof prisms.In full size european binos at your price point,you might look at porros from Steiner,Swarovski or Zeiss.

I have always had to have binos for work and over the years I have bought increasingly higher quality binos and I have yet to regret the money spent.
A while back I decided that since the rest of the world treats me like a red haired step child,I was going to treat myself to some new binos,money no object and without compromise.Then I started compromising,I thought about what I would use them for and the optimum size for each use and came up with,in descending order;
At work,for work ~ 7X50,
At work,for bird and nature watching ~ 8X50,
At home(inside,from my Lazyboy)for bird and nature watching ~ 8X50,
Away from home,for bird and nature watching ~ 8X30.
I ended up buying Leica 8X42 Ultravids,not my first choice,size wise,for any of my intended uses but a good compromise for all of them and I have no regrets.

I got them from Eagle Optics and,as always,it was quick and painless.


http://www.eagleoptics.com
 
For optics that provide the maximum amount of light to your eyes, you need to look at what is called the exit pupil diameter. This is a ratio between the diameter of the objective lens and the power. eg. lens dia./power, for instance an 8X32 has an exit pupil diameter of 4mm. The average adult has a maximum pupil diameter of about 7mm. Therefore to maximize the light available, you want a 7mm exit pupil dia. 7X50, 8X56 are the optimum. Anything with an exit pupil lower than 5mm will be less than adequate in low light situations. I would never go less than 8X40, 10X50 etc.

The types of lens coatings and prizms are also important.

Leitz and Zeiss in 8X56 are awesome. I would assume that Swarovski and Steiner would also be similar in these sizes, but have not used them.
 
Sorry to post a little late, a fellow forumite pointed me to the thread. I'm not an expert but I've glassed probably 50+ binoculars in the field, ranging from the mini Tascos at Walmart up to the highest end models over the past 20 years. I own and carry some nice bins, and have grown to appreciate the skill and ingenuity that go into them, as well as the seemingly magical views they can sometimes deliver. I've also blown money on expensive, highly touted models over the years, only to find them over-rated, or ill-suited for me. RE "general viewing": As with knives, sure, some binocs are more versatile than others but spending more doesn't automatically mean you get a "better" pair; and it certainly doesn't guarantee the best suited to your needs, wants, personality and viewing habits. (Concert or sports viewing, hunting, backpacking, birding?) Bins optimized for viewing still objects or scenes may be poor for tracking movement (on the playing field, in nature). Suffice it to say, objective quality of the image is not the only key factor to consider: field of view (f.o.v.), focusing movement and speed, and eye relief, to note just three that are often overlooked but are significant, esp. for general users vs. specialists. So, unless $600 is easy to come by, I'd urge you think a little about what factors matter _for you_, then check out a few with those criteria in mind, as others have suggested.

Also, re: Shgeo's post above: Exit pupil is indeed important, but its diameter is not comparable to the human pupil on a 1:1 ratio because the light taken in is amplified. For general use, 8x 32 (4mm exit pupil) is perfectly adequate for most people. In fact, in this format, 32mm objectives allow in as much light, and therefore maximize the amount and quality of information, that the human eye can take in under normal conditions, even on overcast days or into early dusk. In most light conditions, the average human eye can see no difference in absolute image quality between 8x magnification at 32mm or higher objectives (42mm+). Bigger objectives weigh more and, due to their design, typically offer smaller field of view (which, besides the weight, translates into increased eye fatigue since you need to move your head more to take in the same amount of information delivered by 8x 32's wider f.o.v.).

Temper -- I can say more if you're interested, re: above factors and my preferences based on my experiences, trial and error, etc. But there's lots of good information here already. Good luck and tell us what you decide! :cool:

Glen
 
Thanks one and all, I must admit I am drawn to the Zeiss and my fund keeps growing as I keep reminding myself its a once in a lifetime thing if you spend enough the first time round. I may go to $1000 if they blow my mind.

I am going to read some more reviews and probably go out today and pick up a few models and compare and see if I can see a difference.

I live in Japan so the local makers will be cheaper than the Euro stuff, but as far as I am concerned a Lexus still isnt a Merc :D

From what I have read so far I am tempted to check out the 8x56 Zeiss Classic.

I will let you know what I get, but its only upon the signing of the contract that I will be able to afford it. Besides, I can always explain that I bought them to pass on to my son (13 months old lol )

Cheers guys, once again BF provides the answers.

Temper
 
shgeo,
Once again,compromise.
At work,I need binos after dark more than during daylight hours,hence exit pupil is critical.I also have to hold them steady in possibly rough seas and lower power is easier for this,hence my optimum choice for work binos would be 7X50.

However,no ones pupil is 7mm during daylight hours and the Swarovski 8X56 SLC weighs 45.5 ozs. and the Swarovski 8X30 SLC weighs 21 ozs.,you either have to give up the better performance at twilight or carry the extra two pounds around your neck all day long.The comparable Ziess models also have over a two pound weight difference.
This does not matter from my Lazyboy but it would cause me to leave the heavier ones at home on a five mile day hike,let alone anything more strenuous.
My Leica 8X44 Ultravids weigh 6 ozs. more than the 8x30 Swaros and have an exit pupil of 5.25mm,I can deal with that.
 
Temper said:
I live in Japan so the local makers will be cheaper than the Euro stuff

Then you owe it to yourself to at least compare the Pentax DCF SP! I have had mine for three years (Actually, the WP that preceeded the SP) and I got them based on comparing them directly to the big three at Bass Pro shops here in atlanta and based on the reviews at places like www.betterviewdesired.com
Bass Pro let me put the Zeiss, Leica, Swarovskis, and Pentax all up side by side in the parking lot and I used them to look at distant billboards. Even if they were all the same price I would have still picked the Pentax! :eek:
 
I checked online for prices here, this will give you a shock.

The 10x50 Pentax are over $900 from the cheapest place I can find. The Zeiss are about $1-200 more if bought online in the US, here they are around $2,400

Its a no brainer :D
 
Jason,
As noted in previous threads,I own the same Pentaxs as you and for about as long.I have to pass 30 or so bouys on my way out of Chesapeake Bay and every bouy has a number on it.When I first got these Leicas,I tested them against the Pentaxs by trying to resolve the numbers on these bouys as I approached them.No matter which binos I was looking through when I could first read these numbers,By the time I could get the other set up to my eyes,I could also read the number.They seemed about equal at this and still do.

However,the first time I looked at a seagull through the Leicas at 25 feet,it was striking,it was not like looking through anything,it was like I had 20/20 vision again and the bird was perched on my palm at arms length.

I guess it boils down to what are your wants and needs and how much money are you willing to blow to satisfy them.
 
Temper, check out binoculars.com. Like the boys say,try them before you buy them. Never know what will irk you.The Nikon Stabilized 14X are $800. I have personally used Fraser-Volpe but imagine they are more expensive.
 
Anyone got comments about Steiner? In particular the 8X56 Night Hunters that go for around $750?

severtecher, I've been there and Froogled every conceivable combination and model I can think of. I'm off to a big 'all singing all dancing' store that carries some really top end stuff. I just hope its on the ground floor as I dont think they will want me walking out with them to 'try' Blue eyed Satans must be after stealing them :rolleyes:
 
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