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Who likes .22s?
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kamagong
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I picked up this little beauty today. It's a CZ 452 Trainer in .22lr. My first rifle, apart from a BB gun that I had as a child. I like it. The bolt action takes a little getting used to.
I got pretty lucky with this one. Wonderful fit and finish. Accurate too. I brought it out to the range today so that we could get acquainted. Used a mix of cartridges from different manufacturers. Didn't seem to care. True, my groups weren't the best, but I blame that on me and not the rifle. The rifle shoots a little to the right though. I'll have to adjust the windage. The best part is that it is all wood and metal. No polymers, no MIM. I guess I was really lucky. CZ now makes these with plastic mags and mag wells. Maybe I got an older one. People on the CZ forum says it doesn't make a difference. I still think metal is better than plastic. With proper care I'll be able to pass this rifle on to my grandkids.
I got pretty lucky with this one. Wonderful fit and finish. Accurate too. I brought it out to the range today so that we could get acquainted. Used a mix of cartridges from different manufacturers. Didn't seem to care. True, my groups weren't the best, but I blame that on me and not the rifle. The rifle shoots a little to the right though. I'll have to adjust the windage. The best part is that it is all wood and metal. No polymers, no MIM. I guess I was really lucky. CZ now makes these with plastic mags and mag wells. Maybe I got an older one. People on the CZ forum says it doesn't make a difference. I still think metal is better than plastic. With proper care I'll be able to pass this rifle on to my grandkids.
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kamagong, If you put glass on that gun, grab a box of moderately good ammo, and it will blow you away! Actually, the hogback stock doesn't translate well to optics, which gave me an excuse...I mean "forced me"...to get the American as well. Great choice!
A couple of years back a friend and I had access to a property that needed feral goats
to be removed - it was more of a 'work' situation than regular hunting.We had no problems with silenced .22's with 1 shot kills in the chest up to 80-90 yards.I know that it sounds really outrageous but we did this regularly for years until the goat numbers were controlled.
to be removed - it was more of a 'work' situation than regular hunting.We had no problems with silenced .22's with 1 shot kills in the chest up to 80-90 yards.I know that it sounds really outrageous but we did this regularly for years until the goat numbers were controlled.
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I didn't know about these CZ's. Very nice bolt action. I especially like that "American" one. I'm sorry, what was the official designation on that particular rifle? Ahh, CZ 452, got it DrThunder. So what's the difference between the American and the "Special"? Just stock design?
My first ever pistol in 1975 was a 4" Ruger Mk. 1 standard, the RST4. I also have a Ruger Mk. 1 Target with adj. sights and 6" barrel and tuned trigger. An older 10/22 Deluxe with a Weaver K4, and a new Ruger 10/22 heavy barrel 10/22 with laminated stock and a Leupold 4X. That's my nicest .22, and I had my smith put a crisp approx. 30. oz. trigger on it.
I really liked the later Ruger pistols, but somehow missed the Mk II's, although I know they were 10 rd. mags as opposed to my Mk 1 9 rounders. I spied a MK III 22/45 with about a 3" barrel that I liked very much, at least I think that's what it was, and hope to get one of those someday.
I also have a Calico M-105 with wood thumbhole stock and 100 rd. helical mag, with additional first generation mag, scope mount, etc. Tried to sell it recently, and found out that the SOB's out here have made it illegal to do so, even through an FFL!
Very fun rifle, but gets absolutely filthy after a few magazines...
Norm
My first ever pistol in 1975 was a 4" Ruger Mk. 1 standard, the RST4. I also have a Ruger Mk. 1 Target with adj. sights and 6" barrel and tuned trigger. An older 10/22 Deluxe with a Weaver K4, and a new Ruger 10/22 heavy barrel 10/22 with laminated stock and a Leupold 4X. That's my nicest .22, and I had my smith put a crisp approx. 30. oz. trigger on it.
I really liked the later Ruger pistols, but somehow missed the Mk II's, although I know they were 10 rd. mags as opposed to my Mk 1 9 rounders. I spied a MK III 22/45 with about a 3" barrel that I liked very much, at least I think that's what it was, and hope to get one of those someday.
I also have a Calico M-105 with wood thumbhole stock and 100 rd. helical mag, with additional first generation mag, scope mount, etc. Tried to sell it recently, and found out that the SOB's out here have made it illegal to do so, even through an FFL!
Very fun rifle, but gets absolutely filthy after a few magazines...Norm
kamagong
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Almost. From what I've learned the action is the same and the rifles are equally accurate. In addition, the Special's stock is made of beech, while the wood on the American is walnut. Also, the American does not come with sights. The Special is equipped with excellent irons.
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I've been drooling over a Henry Lever, Browning BL-22 Lever and the Browning A-Bolt .22's. If I get a job at a sporting goods store, or a high paying job, I'll get one or multiples. Thinking about which ones will look good with my Ruger Single 6. 
By the way, those are some nice looking guns everyone!
Heber
By the way, those are some nice looking guns everyone!
Heber
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What he says! The raised comb is better suited for scopes and higher lines of sight. Also, the sight rail on the Special is the European-style 11mm dovetail while the American has the American-standard 3/8" (go figure).
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Damn, it's too bad they don't give you iron sights though on the American. You would think for $100 more they would kick that in. I always like to have the option...
Norm
I didn't know about these CZ's. Very nice bolt action. I especially like that "American" one. I'm sorry, what was the official designation on that particular rifle? Ahh, CZ 452, got it DrThunder. So what's the difference between the American and the "Special"? Just stock design?
My first ever pistol in 1975 was a 4" Ruger Mk. 1 standard, the RST4. I also have a Ruger Mk. 1 Target with adj. sights and 6" barrel and tuned trigger. An older 10/22 Deluxe with a Weaver K4, and a new Ruger 10/22 heavy barrel 10/22 with laminated stock and a Leupold 4X. That's my nicest .22, and I had my smith put a crisp approx. 30. oz. trigger on it.
I really liked the later Ruger pistols, but somehow missed the Mk II's, although I know they were 10 rd. mags as opposed to my Mk 1 9 rounders. I spied a MK III 22/45 with about a 3" barrel that I liked very much, at least I think that's what it was, and hope to get one of those someday.
I also have a Calico M-105 with wood thumbhole stock and 100 rd. helical mag, with additional first generation mag, scope mount, etc. Tried to sell it recently, and found out that the SOB's out here have made it illegal to do so, even through an FFL!
Norm
Norm: Glad to see you're back! I always wanted to try one of those Calicos. It might get dirty after a few magazines, but by then you've shot off a thousand rounds! What did they say about the original Henry rifles? Something like "load it on Sunday and shoot it all week" Does it shoot pretty well?
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The rifles seem to be designed specifically for one type of sight or the other. It'd be really hard to get a good cheek weld with low-to-the-bore iron sights using the American's high comb. Similarly, when I was shooting benchrest sporter matches with 40mm scope, not only did the A/O ring rub up against the rear sight, but I ended up needing to use a makeshift "jaw weld" that threw off my aim slightly. It's annoying from an economical standpoint (not that I need an excuse to buy two variants of the same model) but sublime when shooting.
As an example, I came to this conclusion after firing both CZs one day and then switching to a Marlin Model 60 with a faulty scope. Venerable as the Marlin is to me, I noticed the comb was just a little high for the iron sights, and if the scope had been much larger than the 15mm tube that came with the gun, it would be just a bit too low for serious scope work. Great gun but a jack of all trades is a master of none.
As an example, I came to this conclusion after firing both CZs one day and then switching to a Marlin Model 60 with a faulty scope. Venerable as the Marlin is to me, I noticed the comb was just a little high for the iron sights, and if the scope had been much larger than the 15mm tube that came with the gun, it would be just a bit too low for serious scope work. Great gun but a jack of all trades is a master of none.
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Recoil for the 452 Trainer is negligible. It's a full-sized rifle and weighs 6.4 lbs so I think that helps somewhat.
This is my first bolt, so I don't know how fast it cycles since I have no prior experience. If you are thinking of getting it, there is no need to hesitate. It's an excellent firearm, you won't be disappointed.
This is my first bolt, so I don't know how fast it cycles since I have no prior experience. If you are thinking of getting it, there is no need to hesitate. It's an excellent firearm, you won't be disappointed.
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Love the .22's!!!!
I've got a Ruger 10/22, which was my first gun ever of any type, and a Walther P22.
I've got a Ruger 10/22, which was my first gun ever of any type, and a Walther P22.
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I've been drooling over a Henry Lever, Browning BL-22 Lever and the Browning A-Bolt .22's. If I get a job at a sporting goods store, or a high paying job, I'll get one or multiples. Thinking about which ones will look good with my Ruger Single 6.
By the way, those are some nice looking guns everyone!
Heber
Heber,
if you get a job at a sporting goods store, you'll find yourself lucky to have a paycheck left at the end of your pay-on-deposit withdrawals.
Years ago, tried to use that rationale for working in a camera shop. Bought so many toys and "neat stuff" that I dam*ed near owed THEM money at each pay period.
Kis
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I've always said when I retire I'd just like to work out a deal and work part time at a feed store in exchange for the discount on feed
Oh yeah and I love .22's
I have an old Ruger Mark 1 with the 6+" barrel and one of my funnest relatively new ones is a tiny Taurus model 62 pump. Holds 12. Breaks down.
Oh yeah and I love .22's
I have an old Ruger Mark 1 with the 6+" barrel and one of my funnest relatively new ones is a tiny Taurus model 62 pump. Holds 12. Breaks down.
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I have a Ruger 10/22 shorty carbine that I put in a Tapco six position stock (The stock it comes with is a good size for a child or midget) Definitely a fun gun, and one I can burn ammo with all day. Pretty accurate as well.