Who Makes Decent Copies?

The message I got from the OP's post was that he wanted a good copy of some custom knives .

A lot of knife makers copy the style of the woodlore type of bushcraft knife but its not a direct copy.

Knife makers are inspired by various knives however I have yet to see a reputable knife maker make a direct copy of a knife. :/

Maybe I got the wrong impression and in that case I apologize, however it seems that a direct copy- not a custom, was what he was after. :)

I was trying to keep the flames to a minimum - just in case they weren't warranted. If it turns out they are....
 
FINALLY, I think it is at this point that I can definitely make the case for stock removal - but not any maker I happen to know.
 
I am not sure who you spoke with at the Denver show because most of the makers that I know there are very nice and would not have brushed you off. The only problem is that most makers probably could not afford to offer a knife at that price with bolsters or a guard, but you may be able to find a basic knife, I had a simple fixed blade with wood scales at the Denver show last year for $175 but this price was without a sheath.

Lucas Burnley was also at last years show and I know that he makes some affordable fixed blades.

There are good makers out there who offer decent prices but you can't get put off by the few who are jerks and assume that we all are.

Good luck with your search.
 
Trip on over to the maker or exchange subforums where new and diverse sub-$150 customs are almost available daily.

Also, do some homework. If you really like knives, it's not work. This subforum is a good place to start, but not with a thin wallet. However, build a "want" (e.g., a Loveless hunter or reasonable facsimile--a better word than copy) and the money will come, just like it does for the destitute crack addict. Don't forget your tithe, though.

ken
 
All pretty good advise so far. Ken hit it right on the head about our "Maker's Forum", the for sale area always has a few good buys. I think you'll need to get in the $200-250 range to get something decent with a sheath.

Win
 
You spoke to the wrong makers at the Denver show.
$150 is a decent amount to spend on a knife. You're probably going to be looking at more production knives at that price, but handmade knives do exist. The Makers For Sale forum would make a prime hunting ground for you. Take your time, enjoy the hunt.
 
I' m not sure exactly what constitutes a "stolen knife design" or a copied design, but I have seen quite a few knives similar in design to recent customs. I guess I never really thought about whether the original designer was getting paid for it or had licensed it to that company. I would guess that it's kinda hard to do in a global market.

Are there copyrights or something like that for knives? Once again, I would imagine its hard in a global market.

This next part is going to sound heretical in this forum, that is not really my intent and I offer apologies in advance but it is something I have thought of. I always wondered why some of these knock off companies couldn't up the ante on what they were producing and meet demand for decent knives cheaply. For instance I was looking on ebay on one of my infrequent voyages into that cyber-land, and it looked like there are some people in india making half-way decent damascus pretty cheaply. You would think that someone could gather some of these metal worker/knifemakers, or even put together a small team, and crank out reasonably custom looking knives--- there are a lot of designs out there that have been out there for a while. I know they have access to decent handle material, and have good woodworkers. I would guess that someone over there has knowhow, if they need to be taught some finer points. I think someone could show them how to heat-treat properly. Given the cost of labor in india, bangladesh, or some such, hand labor should be too expensive---heck you might even be able to farm it out to assorted villages. Anyway, let's say $10-$15 of materials, $20-$30 labor, $40 transport, overhead, and import/export type duties = $70-85. If you emphasized and showed your quality control (and actually cared about it), I would think you could sell that knife for $150 or so. I guess someone unscrupulous, could do the same with "stolen designs". I have wondered why that hasn't been done (Not the unscrupulus part).

I think this is what Saddle Tramp might have been talking about, in part.

Something tells me I am going to get flamed for the above, but it is just a thought and a way to achieve a quality, custom looking knife at a lower price. That having been said, I still want high quality custom knives from a maker that I know and has a good reputation--but I'm willing to pay for that because I see the value in it.
 
The makers for sale area is one of my favorite subforums to visit. I just took a look-saw 7-8 makers with knives I would buy in a heartbeat (if I had the cash!) around the 150.00-175.00 range. This is where you see the up and comers - alot of these guys are getting ready to apply for their js and ms stamps and really do produce some beautiful work. If you want to buy a good quality handmade knife, thats the place to go. I bought a really nice camp knife from Craig Camerer a year or so ago - forged blade, micarta handle, absolutely top notch workmanship and got a really good deal on it. I'm sure that you can find something you like for the price you can afford. I keep seeing Ray Laconicos knives for sale and am never quick enough to pick one up - I'll get one sooner or later!!
 
Yes, a knife maker can indeed obtain a patent or a copyright on a design or a feature of. Likewise the logo stamp such as the (Gerber anvil) is also often protected. Alternatively, some 'classics' have been around so long or are such obvious design that no protection is possible. A Boy Scout pocket knife is protected, but a spear point blade in a multi tool folding knife isn't.
 
That's the route I went. :thumbup:

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Ohh, how much? :eek:
 
Keith,

It's time to update your GenO price list; try $275 range. His website prices are as current as bell bottoms.

ken
 
If you can bump your budget up to about $200 you can get some very nice Dozier blades. I wouldn't call them clones of anything but they look good, work great, and are an excellent price!
 
Can anyone help?
I think the best way to get the assistance you are looking for, post an example of a knife you would be interested in. Then someone can probably recommend a less-expensive custom or a quality factory knife in the same style.

One thing to consider, many famous knife makers have contracts with knife companies who make production versions of their knife designs. Maybe few people can afford to buy a handmade Ken Onion, Bob Terzoula, or Van Hoy knife. But almost anyone can afford to buy the Kershaw, Camillus, or Columbia River knives based on their designs.

For now, I don't want to spend more than $150.00. I have seen some customs that were $2000 and up. I have seen some knives that a maker isn’t going to make again, or I keep hearing about years long waiting lists. I went to a knife show in Denver last year, asking about simple knives for use. All the makers that were there only wanted to make fancy knives, seemed to only want to use ivory and fancy fittings for an art piece to sit in a case. They didn’t leave me feeling that they cared about the regular joe off the street that didn’t want to spend thousands.
That's a portion of the market for sure, art knives. You're paying for the exotic materials, one-of-a-kind detailed artwork, and the maker's name and reputation.

But there are many, many handmade custom or semi-custom knives available for $150. Check out the For Sale by Maker forum section, as others mentioned. Plenty of fantastic knives sell there for $150 and less. You have to keep an eagle-eye on the forum posts though, and be ready to jump when something interests you; the best bargains sell within hours or minutes.

Second, check out the higher-end factory brands. Canal Street, Bark River, Schatt and Morgan, etc.

Third, check out Anza Knives. They'll sell you one of their standard models as-is, modify it to suit you, or design a completely original knife to your specs. Very reasonable prices and friendly communication.

I hope you find what you're looking for!
 
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